In Game DPS Meter

[dcdistro]

don't want it creates elitist BS .... you need X amount of dps or this job or you can't come to my party ... nope sorry its garbage... and in the live letter Yosi said this and they won't be implemented!!! /cheer

[Tiggy]

don't want it creates elitist BS .... you need X amount of dps or this job or you can't come to my party ... nope sorry its garbage... and in the live letter Yosi said this and they won't be implemented!!! /cheer

If it's displayed to you and only to you then there is no way another player can confirm what your DPS actually is. Making what you said a moot point entirely. It wouldn't affect my ability to know what another players DPS is during a fight at all.

I appreciate your ability to be constructive with your criticism. Oh wait...

Im confident that if SE ever consider the DPS tool will be just to track yourself not the other players

That's exactly what I'm suggesting. A personal tool that no other player can possibly see.

[TeganLaron]

If it's displayed to you and only to you then there is no way another player can confirm what your DPS actually is. Making what you said a moot point entirely. It wouldn't affect my ability to know what another players DPS is during a fight at all.

I think it would still lead to people's actual DPS numbers being an issue though. Every DPS would be asked how much they parse on dummies before entering a group. Although your idea is one of the best ones put forward, I personally just don't want it in the game as it will do more bad than good. Implementing things which could be abused such as the vote kick was a necessary evil, but DPS meters are just not needed that desperately.

[Tiggy]

I think it would still lead to people's actual DPS numbers being an issue though. Every DPS would be asked how much they parse on dummies before entering a group. Although your idea is one of the best ones put forward, I personally just don't want it in the game as it will do more bad than good. Implementing things which could be abused such as the vote kick was a necessary evil, but DPS meters are just not needed that desperately.

Then do something a little different maybe? Based on your current iLvl do something with broad rankings. Like a C, B, A, S ranking. You don't need to know your exact number, just that you aren't low. This could tie in maybe with a solo type event like another player suggested?

All of this just because people wants to be number 1 in the entire World, for bragging.

This is a false assumption. No, this isn't to be the best. As an example I'll use Turn 8. You don't need to be number 1 in the world but you do need very, very good DPS. Without some way to specifically see how you and you alone are doing you may end up in a situation where you're doing good damage but not good enough. Turn 8 is an extreme DPS check. So much so that the overall team damage required to win is outrageously high. I don't need to have the best DPS in the world but I do need to have extremely good DPS just to beat this content. This isn't about being Elite. This isn't about being #1. This is about knowing I can bring the DPS to the party that is absolutely hard enrage required to win. This isn't a situation where it's all "just about having fun" as the content itself requires this level of damage. We are simply players responding to the requirements of the game.

This is not at all about being Elite.

[KingOfAbyss]

This isn't a situation where it's all "just about having fun" as the content itself requires this level of damage. We are simply players responding to the requirements of the game.

Sooo... you are telling me the fun goes away and it's being replaced by numbers at Second Coil?

So Glad that I am still on T5.. and still having fun.

And everyone is entitled to have their opinion. And yes stating any questions here is an opening for debate.

Constructive: No. SE said no, and for good reasons.

Not to point out every single negative thing someone could do with it.

While I understand you want to keep a positive approach (kudos) there will always be bad intent persons that will find the easy route.

And then for these few around, the rest will suffer from it.

[kukurumei]

This is a false assumption. No, this isn't to be the best. As an example I'll use Turn 8. You don't need to be number 1 in the world but you do need very, very good DPS. Without some way to specifically see how you and you alone are doing you may end up in a situation where you're doing good damage but not good enough. Turn 8 is an extreme DPS check. So much so that the overall team damage required to win is outrageously high. I don't need to have the best DPS in the world but I do need to have extremely good DPS just to beat this content. This isn't about being Elite. This isn't about being #1. This is about knowing I can bring the DPS to the party that is absolutely hard enrage required to win. This isn't a situation where it's all "just about having fun" as the content itself requires this level of damage. We are simply players responding to the requirements of the game.

This is not at all about being Elite.

I love how people try to use T8 to pull a straw man.

T8 isn't about parses. It's about optimization and teamwork. Parsing isn't going to do T8 people much good. Their ability to do the mechanics naturally leads them to parse high in that fight and win.

You can pretty much say if you fail T8, it's totally not about scoring low on parsing but you're parsing lower as a result for failing T8.

T8 maybe a big fat training dummy, but it still has mechanics.

So much strawman worthy of elitism.

[TeganLaron]

I love how people try to use T8 to pull a straw man.

T8 isn't about parses. It's about optimization and teamwork. Parsing isn't going to do T8 people much good. Their ability to do the mechanics naturally leads them to parse high in that fight and win.

You can pretty much say if you fail T8, it's totally not about scoring low on parsing but you're parsing lower as a result for failing T8.

T8 maybe a big fat training dummy, but it still has mechanics.

So much strawman worthy of elitism.

I think their point about T8 as an example is that if you are going in there with even slightly too low DPS, you've lost before start. And it would be heartbreaking to nail all the phases perfectly, only to enrage because someone who had no knowledge of their DPS was doing 100 lower than everyone else.

[Hybris-Maenad]

I think it would still lead to people's actual DPS numbers being an issue though. Every DPS would be asked how much they parse on dummies before entering a group. Although your idea is one of the best ones put forward, I personally just don't want it in the game as it will do more bad than good. Implementing things which could be abused such as the vote kick was a necessary evil, but DPS meters are just not needed that desperately.

Any DPS worth their salt will want to know exactly how their damage stacks up and will want to improve it.

Don't ask, don't tell still leads to people kicking bad dps, they just can't mention why in chat. This idea would at least give those that are getting kicked or end up failing as a group a way to check their dps and compare to others.

A good chunk of the community being assholes is a entire separate discussion and no excuse to deny the playerbase a tool to gauge their damage when so many endgame fights have dps checks.

[JayCommon]

don't want it creates elitist BS .... you need X amount of dps or this job or you can't come to my party ... nope sorry its garbage... and in the live letter Yosi said this and they won't be implemented!!! /cheer

Luckily, good players don't need a "DPS tool" to see which out of their group isn't pulling their own weight. A DPS tool allows raids to crunch numbers and see where a good group can become great in a few specific areas that it is needed.

"Elitist BS" runs rampant without any parsers. It is painfully obvious if you aren't performing up-to-snuff. You can call it elitist all you want, but if you are dragging your feet in my coil group and expect us to pull you then you will get booted before you can even say "DPS Tool".

Edit: Sorry if I sound rude, but your response makes it seem so negative if people want to succeed in this game. If you want to be casual with your playstyle and not care about your personal level of aptitude then that is fine with me. Just don't ever server transfer and think you will join my endgame group.