In Game DPS Meter

[Pooky_Pasha]

All of this just because people wants to be number 1 in the entire World...wanna have fun in the game?

Some people's idea of fun is optimizing their performance, which can't be done without knowing the numbers. What's wrong with asking SE to officially sanction that?

[kukurumei]

Some people's idea of fun is optimizing their performance, which can't be done without knowing the numbers. What's wrong with asking SE to officially sanction that?

What's the point of bringing it up, since SE has stately flat out it's a Don't ask, don't tell rule.

All I'm seeing is lack of maturity to simply keeping one's foot out of their foul mouth.

Does one need to officially talk to themselves looking at a parse for the world to see? That's flamboyant to an extreme.

[Gilraen]

It many not be about being elite, but the people that want to be elite and be surrounded by only those who are just as elite will put any good tools to bad use. And third party tools were mentioned. Well, being third party tools and given Square already expressed sentiment regarding third party tools, anyone mentioning using third party tools will quickly have more pressing matters to deal with than another person's 'substandard' performance. This is as it should be, no one person has the right to dictate to others how they should play. Give suggestions if you see them using, or not using, certain strategies to boost their performance, but the moment you start demanding they do this or that you cross a line. I don't get how this is a difficult concept to grasp for some people... "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you." and whatnot.

[Tiggy]

That's not a debate I'm trying to have in this thread. There appears to be another in main page debating that and you can join them there if you wish. I'm simply trying to discuss a way something like this could work. Not to point out every single negative thing someone could do with it. No one here is demanding anyone bring a certain amount of damage since I'm trying to come up with a useful a tool to help new players improve themselves. Not everything needs to be viewed from the one view point of "how it could be abused" especially considering parser already do that leaving legitimate players zero methods to improve. Fear causing inaction is a response that breeds absolutely nothing. By doing nothing we are throwing new players to the wolves with parsers that will continue to exist even if they add something like I'm requesting. We can do more to help players, and we should.

Can we please try to be constructive in this thread and leave ideological arguments somewhere else?

[AarinEphemera]

It's obvious why SE made parsers illegal...

[scarletfoxxy]

i understand everything your saying OP and i would like it too because "me, myself, and I" would like to improve my dps for my monk and dragoon without having to use other people that have parsers to parse me!. I WANT TO BE MY PERSONAL BEST.

[Tiggy]

I love how people try to use T8 to pull a straw man.

T8 isn't about parses. It's about optimization and teamwork. Parsing isn't going to do T8 people much good. Their ability to do the mechanics naturally leads them to parse high in that fight and win.

You can pretty much say if you fail T8, it's totally not about scoring low on parsing but you're parsing lower as a result for failing T8.

So much strawman worthy of elitism.

It's not a straw man because you miss the mark on what I mean. I'm not talking about parsing so that I can nail T8. It was simply an example where your damage is indeed important to success. I can nail the mechanics and have good teamwork for days but if I can't output basic damage required even at a standstill then there is no amount of teamwork or knowledge of the fight that will fix that for you. I\\'m specifically trying to give people a tool to help them optimize their personal rotations. Not to replace teamwork or practice. So you really see absolutely no merit in giving people a tool to simply improve their solo rotations and efficiency?

[Gilraen]

I honestly wouldn't have any issue with something like has been suggested a few times before, some manner of 'punching bag' to work out how hard you can hit using specific actions. But this will likely satisfy noone given people want these things to use in dungeons and I'd rather keep them as far from dungeons as possible so that DPS harassment won't be as big a problem as the vote systems have become. I mean, look at the threads that pop up every other day about vote abuse. Imagine how many will crop up about this if it ever became a thing.

[Docj]

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You're actually re-creating a thread I made 2 days ago. Exact same idea.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...69670-DPS-Tool

edit: I see that you noted the other thread in a subsequent post.

edit: At least your original post has now evolved to be about more then just using dummies.

[Ikeda]

Not to be rude but did this really need another thread when there's already one still active that surprisingly hasn't been locked yet? As useful as a self parser would be there's still obviously room for abuse. You already know there would be PF descriptions saying "disclose self parser or kick". You also already know that if anything has the slightest potential for causing drama and casual discrimination that SE WILL NOT ADD IT. FFS they already don't allow whispers in dungeons and punish rage quitters with a 30 minute dungeon lock out. What could possibly make you think they'd allow the inevitable s***storm that parsers would cause? The only thing they've even let slip is adding ilvls and party finder and that seems more like a screw up on their part that's too late to remove because it would just cause more whining. You parser enthusiasts just need to face the facts that as long as SE sees casual players as their biggest source of income there is absolutely 0% chance of them adding official parsers or legalizing 3rd party parsers. And let's be honest, do you really want the same kind of twits that you see on WoW screaming out their parser number after every single fight as some pitiful e-peen measuring contest? Because you know it's going to happen.