In Game DPS Meter

[Raenryong]

All this thread proves like every other thread is SE's current stance is right. Don't ask, don't tell.

Everything is provided on your own screen. The moment you push it out to the world, in a justified or unjustified attempt to push your weight around, it's harassment zone, just don't do it and everything is right in the world.

How does it? I haven't seen any argument beyond the fact that bad DPS may be held accountable for their performance just like bad healers/tanks, which is somehow a "toxic" thing constituting "harassment".

[kukurumei]

How does it? I haven't seen any argument beyond the fact that bad DPS may be held accountable for their performance just like bad healers/tanks, which is somehow a "toxic" thing constituting "harassment".

The shear fact of your quote is already enough proof by trying to segregate anyone and everyone into "accountability" "bad" and generally finger pointing drama.

It's already toxic that you are trying to justify it. Walk away is something people can't seem to do for some reason in environment where you know less then .5% of the population, yet want to assert your views on that 99.5%

Or as they call it, harassment.

[Gormogon]

The shear fact of your quote is already enough proof by trying to segregate anyone and everyone into "accountability" "bad" and generally finger pointing drama.

It's already toxic that you are trying to justify it. Walk away is something people can't seem to do for some reason in environment where you know less then .5% of the population, yet want to assert your views on that 99.5%

Or as they call it, harassment.

It's the sad truth. A lot of the people, in regards to DPS meter discussions, I end up putting on ignore due to the sheer attitude issue. There's no debate, discussion, argument, or brainstorming ways so that they can improve themselves and that same method can be applied to others so they can improve as well. It all boils down to wanting DPS meters for the simple fact of knowing who to point the finger to as well as gloating. The amount of hostility met because you don't agree 100% with them, despite bringing forth alternatives that don't single out players is pretty hilarious to me. I question some of the "I want to be better" statements since they bring up others in the process.

Every argument about why it tends to be beneficial revolves around someone doing bad dps and that thanks to parsers, which is typical, they would single someone out.

[Raenryong]

Every argument about why it tends to be beneficial revolves around someone doing bad dps and that thanks to parsers, which is typical, they would single someone out.

That is because this is a common scenario which parsers rectify. Bad players deserve to be singled out and removed from party finder groups which specify a minimum level of performance, whether they are healers, tanks, or dps.

[SarcasmMisser]

All this thread proves like every other thread is SE's current stance is right. Don't ask, don't tell.

Everything is provided on your own screen. The moment you push it out to the world, in a justified or unjustified attempt to push your weight around, it's harassment zone, just don't do it and everything is right in the world.

Under the current policy my policy (though I don't pf much, it's been months since I've had to do this) is to disband and reform with the bad player excluded. He never gets any feedback on why he gets removed from groups, because we are not allowed to tell. This is much better right?

Also when someone talks about optimal play without numbers I just nod my head slowly and say suuuure. Like in the real world, a hypothesis is proven with hard evidence not an argument. If you don't parse you are not a min maxer, don't pretend to be one.

[Raenryong]

People are already separated. You are just suggesting that it is wrong to do so, somehow.

[Awrini]

I'm starting to wonder if the only reason you go on and on about harassing others with parser/meter information is because that is the way that you would use them. That doesn't make parsers bad, just you.

[Awrini]

In party finder groups sure. But Duty Finder people are free to be as bad as they want.

[skaterger]

I wish finger pointing and accountability were banned in this game. I could go into t7 and stone everyone repeatedly without fear of being kicked. How fun!

[Nicobo]

Will it be good to add fight result at the end of the content ?
So everyone got an idea for the data and since the content has ended, no one will be kicked.