In Game DPS Meter

[MythToken]

To implement any sort of Meter/Rating system/ect all the other dumb ideas you have had since starting this thread, it would be numbers based on an internal parser.
Which means all of your ideas are constricted to the limits of said parser.

I'll quote myself since you only quoted the first part of my comment, in which I made fun of you for being a d**che.

This point still stands, all of your ideas about in game anything, will be based off of internal parsing data.
So all of the cons that come with that, apply to all of your ideas.

[MythToken]

Because people on PS4 can not use these parsers.

I don't agree with your point #3. I don't need to prove my personal level of skill in this game to you, nor would you probably believe it. I am plenty good at this game, so not all "good players" have parsers. I would like to know how much DPS I parse so I can try and improve, because right now all I see is flying text that means literally nothing to me outside of "OOOOOOOH that was a nice crit"
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PS4 users have a legitimate gripe, but point #3 still applies its not that you need to prove yourself, and obviously you can get better using your own data.

It's that people would use it to not take someone based on a number that is very subjective.

and the "good players already have parsers", im not saying all good players have parsers, but good players have them, and good players want them, ie yourself.

[Tiggy]

I'll quote myself since you only quoted the first part of my comment, in which I made fun of you for being a douche.

This point still stands, all of your ideas about in game anything, will be based off of internal parsing data.
So all of the cons that come with that, apply to all of your ideas.

Obviously there would need to be some sort of server side parsing to do calculations if we did the test dummy idea, but that doesn't mean it is exposed to the users at all. It can be entirely server side with only the DPS number itself being paassed to the client. Meaning it can't be abused like you say because the data simply wouldn't be client side to do so. Just because a specific technology is required at it's core does not immediately make the specific use case and specific implantation automatically bad. They are not one in the same as the implementation wraps a UI and useful functionality around a few core algorithms. So simply put no, all of the cons that come with parsers do not come with our ideas that we are discussing.

Also, if you would read the thread as I keep saying, you would see that we've evolved into a discussion about solo guildhest like content where simply being able to pass the content could be considered the feedback we are looking for. This wouldn't require any parser what so ever. Negating every con that comes with parsing.

So please. If you aren't going to read the thread and give constructive ideas on the actual conversation I would say, once again, that we get it. You don't like it. You constantly telling us that over and over doesn't achieve anything other than to distract from a constructive conversation.

It's that people would use it to not take someone based on a number that is very subjective.

Not if the result is entirely personal and kept to the individual player, as we've been discussing all along. If it is not displayed publicly then no one can possibly use it to judge you. We addressed this idea a few pages back.

[Ikeda]

Not if the result is entirely personal and kept to the individual player, as we've been discussing all along. If it is not displayed publicly then no one can possibly use it to judge you. We addressed this idea a few pages back.

"Disclose self parser or kick. We have a party parser to expose liars." You'll see something along these lines all over party finder. There's no way around the cons of parsers unless it can't be used in instances.

[MythToken]

You don't understand, even if you have a "hidden" server side parser. Then you completely undermine the legitimacy of that data.

It then becomes pointless. If you don't open it up to the community, it's better to just not have one.


And opening a DPS meter thats individualized would not work either. Because without context it means nothing.


I understand your thread is very lengthy, and many of these points have been addressed. But your ideas are just not very good.
And you keep saying that we are negative and not constructive, but sometimes the answer is just that you are just wrong.

There is a reason, many reasons actually why none of this has been implemented as you have suggested. Because they are bad ideas, without easy and efficient implementations.
The reason you are getting "non constructive" criticism is because you can't take criticism.

I think you should have entitled this thread "my ideal scenario, and fun ideas for dps meters that won't ever actually happen #donttellmetheywontwork"

[Tiggy]

"Disclose self parser or kick. We have a party parser to expose liars." You'll see something along these lines all over party finder. There's no way around the cons of parsers unless it can't be used in instances.

We aren't suggesting it even have a parser nor to to have one in instances at all. We are currently bouncing around a solo-guildhest type idea that is displayed over the last few pages of this thread.

You don't understand, even if you have a "hidden" server side parser. Then you completely undermine the legitimacy of that data.

Despite the fact we aren't trying to add a parser I can't agree with this. If it did have a parser then it would only make the results more legitimate.

It then becomes pointless. If you don't open it up to the community, it's better to just not have one.

Like how Yoshi-P said we shouldn't use parsers but they can't stop it so we should be reasonable? That isn't open to PS3 and PS4 users and that certainly didn't fix the problem.

And opening a DPS meter thats individualized would not work either. Because without context it means nothing.

The entire point is to understand where the ceiling on your ability is in order to improve it. That still has value for practicing. Once practiced the skills are then directly useful in real content. That's why this was considered to be a tool from the beginning. It is most definitely relevant.

I understand your thread is very lengthy, and many of these points have been addressed. But your ideas are just not very good.
And you keep saying that we are negative and not constructive, but sometimes the answer is just that you are just wrong.

Simply saying no, or that won't work is not constructive. Just saying that someone is wrong is not constructive. A reasonable explination of WHY it is wrong is constructive, but simple responses like you just used are not.

There is a reason, many reasons actually why none of this has been implemented as you have suggested. Because they are bad ideas, without easy and efficient implementations.

False. There are indeed reasonable implenations, but you aren't interested in exploring any of them. You just want to come in and say "no it won't work you're just wrong."

The reason you are getting "non constructive" criticism is because you can't take criticism.

I have taken it quite well in numerous instances throughout this thread. What I will not take well is people like you who want to come in and just s**t on everyone elses parade because "bad people will do bad things." You aren't encouraging discussion. You aren't looking at the actual ideas presented and expressing any specific comments. You're just being negative.

WE GET IT. You don't like the idea.

If you don't have actual constructive things to add to the ideas being bounced around in order to come up with a good implementation then can you please just accept that we get it and let us move on? If we have this discussion it doesn't hurt you, doesn't stop your day from being happy, and doesn't even matter if square doesn't like what we say. You coming here to say the same thing over and over and over isn't adding anything to our conversation other than negativity. If Square ever reads this thread your disagreement will surely be noted. The number of times you reiterate does not ram it home more.

[MythToken]

We aren't suggesting it even have a parser nor to to have one in instances at all. We are currently bouncing around a solo-guildhest type idea that is displayed over the last few pages of this thread.

What is the actual point of this?

higher ilvl gear = more dps
more stats = more dps

None of that is rocket science and you don't need a parser for it either.

Optimal rotations have already been discovered by people who can do math + potency.

There is nothing hidden in this game, that you are going to discover through some magical meter or rating system.

If you are talking about adding a dps meter for Low lvl guild heists, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Tiggy]

What is the actual point of this?

higher ilvl gear = more dps
more stats = more dps

None of that is rocket science and you don't need a parser for it either.

Optimal rotations have already been discovered by people who can do math + potency.

There is nothing hidden in this game, that you are going to discover through some magical meter or rating system.

If you are talking about adding a dps meter for Low lvl guild heists, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You entirely miss the point. We aren't asking for this to be used to determine optimal rotations or for players already entrenched into end game. The entire point was to have content that helps new players break into end game. These are players who aren't already good at their rotations, players who are afraid they don't have what it takes and therefore won't even try the new coil until it's nerfed with echo over 3 months from now, and for the players on playstation consoles who have zero access to an ILLEGAL parser. What are suggesting is high level solo guild-hest type content. Not even low level because yes, that wouldn't help anyone.

You continue to show your disdain for even reading about what we are talking about. Everything I just said has been said by others earlier in this thread.

[MythToken]

SNIP

all of that is way out of context, sorry but, I am giving you reasons why it doesnt work, you just arnt listening.

[MythToken]

You entirely miss the point. We aren't asking for this to be used to determine optimal rotations or for players already entrenched into end game. The entire point was to have content that helps new players break into end game.

you are missing the point sorry, but you don't need a parser to get better.

Increase ilvl to increase dps
Increase stats to increase dps
Read up on your rotations which can easily be found on this very forum.

Check check and check.

Sorry that you think you need someone to hold your hand going into endgame.

Also how would you rate tanking? How would you rate healing? Don't those people need help getting into endgame?

Also just because you can pull good numbers in a Parse, does not mean you are ready for end game.
Which has very little to do with dps numbers, and a lot to do with mechanics and dodging.

Not to mention the game already has Guildheists and Low level dungeons which are very well designed in their difficulty scaling.
They do a great job at progressing you through your job, all the way through end game.

You already get a bonus for completing the Guildhiest without anyone dying.

On top of that to "break into endgame" as you call it, you have to run with a group. So saying I have a rating of 100! means nothing. Find a group of people that actually like you, and are willing to teach you. (probably hard for the OP)