[Suggestion] Sync players to minimal level on duties

[Garlyle]

High level synced players makes the duty too much easy and the new player hardly learns anything doing that, most likely he will be carried on;

It's not hard to carry players through the majority of duties, synced or not. It's a matter of difficulty curve in the dungeons themselves that causes this problem, and the fact that basically everything pre-Titan it's entirely possible you won't know how much you suck until you are suddenly wiped.

New tanks haven't any chance to hold aggro against the above players;

False. 2-3 levels of difference has extremely minimal on the ability to handle aggro - but player skill will have a huge impact. I've barely had issues maintaining aggro when going into a dungeon at minimal level and slightly undergeared; and I can say about 75-90% of the times I have lost aggro has been due to two DPS going all out on separate targets instead of focusing one, which frankly will be a problem for any tank to face (albeit not an insurmountable one). The tanks I have seen have serious aggro issues have far greater issues with a just general lack of understanding of their role and the tools they have.

This problem is exasperated in level 50 dungeons to a very real thing, however - I was having to seriously dumb down my rotation to not steal aggro from my fresh-50 tank friend during WP/AK when I went in as my i93 Monk self. But that's a massive gear difference, and a case for iLvl sync in level 50 content, not the 2-3 level difference between minimal level and level synced.

High level synced complaining about those duties too much easy, here get served little more difficulty ;

2-3 levels doesn't make things any more difficult. Generally speaking, it just makes them slower. The dungeons were entirely designed to be handled reasonably at the level they allow entry at. This is, again, more a case for iLvl sync in level 50 content rather than adjusting low level duties.

[Alistaire]

Nope...wait a sec, something to maybe, just maaaaybe, stop the occasional bad player from getting carried thru everything and force them to learn? Yeah, I actually agree with this.

[Garlyle]

Nope...wait a sec, something to maybe, just maaaaybe, stop the occasional bad player from getting carried thru everything and force them to learn? Yeah, I actually agree with this.

A competent healer will carry players through the whopping majority of <50 content, especially everything pre-Titan. Two levels of EXP is not going to make a difference in this respect.

Hell, to be frank, a good healer carries people through >50 content, too.

[Launched]

Losing 2 or 3 more levels when you get synced won't make the dungeon harder, it'll just make it take longer and make it even more boring because you could lose another skill. No thanks.

[Kewitt]

This ^^ and this


high level players make it easier because they have likely run that place 100 times. The gear is synced down to being good gear for the level but still, knowing the place because you ran it 30+ times.

[Sadana]

I see where you're coming from. I think it's gear/ilvl that is the culprit though. Even though it's supposedly synced down in dungeons, players in high level gear regularly pull aggro off a non-synced tank. And sometimes I wonder if the tank losing aggro so easily is what causes most of the rage in dungeons.

[Garlyle]

I see where you're coming from. I think it's gear/ilvl that is the culprit though. Even though it's supposedly synced down in dungeons, players in high level gear regularly pull aggro off a non-synced tank.

It is actually synced down. It's pulled down to roughly [level sync -1], and actually a bit worse than that.

Now, of course, if they're getting gear synced to ~36, but the tank's still running level 23 gear, then hell, not much that can be done about that, and a couple more levels dropped won't fix that.

A tank who drops hate in low level dungeons is generally either
A. significantly undergeared for what they're taking on (I'm not talking like 3 or 4, I mean 10+),
B. has DPS who are deliberately (or through ignorance) stealing aggro by attacking off targets, or
C. has made some mistake in their play, such as not using enough AoE or ignoring targets in longer fights.

These are not fixed through a couple levels change on the remainder of the party.

[Felis]

There is a logic error.
In the suggestion of the OP someone who get level-synched get a lower level than the one who hit exactly the max. level of the content.

Say a level 16 dungeon with max. level 20
A lv 20 tank do it and keep level 20
A lv 21 tank do it and get level-synched to level 16, make the dungeon for him harder again only because he got a level up.

[Foo01]

The level sync is fine as it is. People are already crying about wanting more unlocked skills enabled etc. Smoother run for the newbies or lower level players is not a problem.

Grabbing aggro from tanks is nuisance to the tanks, and I played thru that situation leveling my alt PLD. I know all about that now, but still I wouldn't want a min level sync, since I don't need to make more gimpy for my healer or DPS. Also once I understood the situation, I was happy to let the dps who don't know how to self regulate their aggro have their mob and eat it. It actually makes the tank work load easier, if they like doing that, and put in a topaz or titan helps too, for the tank that is happy to be lazy.

[Judge_Xero]

What they should add is a Skill-Sync feature. So bad players can be synced to the skill level of good players.