SMN in T8

[Zamii]

i use ifrit also, assuming you have a monk in party, its roughly 10 dps overall increase in my experience, does take a little more effect to make sure ifrit doesn't die though.

[Altimis]

Because Turn 8 is Single boss fight + Dreadnough pop 4 - 5 times (which is die so fast like fly) and Boss standing still, no warp, no fancy move, its basically Strike Dummy so Ifrit gonna do more DPS than Garuda. But others Boss and Turn that have alot mobs to kill or Boss move alot (Primal Ex is example) I use Garuda mainly though because Ifrit can't catch Garuda in term of distance.

Contagion is strong tool but the most efficient is when you see alot target more than 3 target and use Bane to spread DOTs on it, otherwise, I use Ifrit. Garuda's Contagion does not have any edge over Ifrit at all when you know what to do and I explains why Ifrit now. Peoples think Ifrit is weak and low dmg but I say its not true.

For those still curious why Ifrit, I suggest you go try Dummy test and you will understand why (I assume all of you guys know how to check your own performance)

[xxalucard]

Because Turn 8 is Single boss fight + Dreadnough pop 4 - 5 times (which is die so fast like fly) and Boss standing still, no warp, no fancy move, its basically Strike Dummy so Ifrit gonna do more DPS than Garuda. But others Boss and Turn that have alot mobs to kill or Boss move alot (Primal Ex is example) I use Garuda mainly though because Ifrit can't catch Garuda in term of distance.


Contagion is strong tool but the most efficient is when you see alot target more than 3 target and use Bane to spread DOTs on it, otherwise, I use Ifrit. Garuda's Contagion does not have any edge over Ifrit at all when you know what to do and I explains why Ifrit now. Peoples think Ifrit is weak and low dmg but I say its not true.

For those still curious why Ifrit, I suggest you go try Dummy test and you will understand why (I assume all of you guys know how to check your own performance)

Unfortunately your information is incorrect, especially about contagion *not* being more effective than Ifrit.

Contagion is more effective, period, especially when you factor in miasma II + poison pots + raging strikes + int pots and overall MP management required on the fight.

The fight becomes a difficult one to manage MP with as a summoner-- even when you use contagion optimally-- unless you simply are not casting certain spells such as shadow flare, miasma II (you'd have no reason to cast miasma II without contagion, but it IS more dps than ruin with contagion), and ruin II enough to auto-attack more and while running for mechanics (nodes, mines, allagan field placement, etc).

Also your information about "ifrit being more dps on a striking dummy" is misleading, because usually you don't have a bard casting Foe's Requiem when you run tests on a dummy. In turn 8 I would assume most groups have at least 1 bard using a battle voiced Foe's twice in the fight, and that increases garuda's damage as well (ifrit does not benefit from foe's requiem as his attacks are melee).

Since both you and garuda benefit from foe's, the pet becomes that much more effective, not to mention being able to contagion quite a few times throughout the fight and thus increasing your own dps more than whatever it could be with ifrit.

TLDR; Ifrit sucks.

[Altimis]

Thing is, At first I actually don't believe Ifrit gonna beat Garuda at all, I think the same as you. At first I was fun thinking compare both Ifrit and Garuda because my gears get stronger and stronger, I wonder if my gears will improved Ifrit so that's it, bring it on, can Ifrit win DPS over Garuda? we have Bard, we have Foe and Battle voice, we have Contagion! Garuda per hit is hit harder than Ifrit as you see, no way Garuda gonna lose Ifrit with over DPS result, that what I thinking when I try with Ifrit

I make sure I did everything correctly, I practice rotation with Ifrit before I attempt T8 (I been practice like full weeks? to find out what is best possible whole highest DPS for Ifrit using) I squeeze it out everything with seriousness, I make sure I really really ditch everything, every knowledge, every rotation both best rotation and my own rotation, squeeze every of my brain cells to think what is possible to do highest of highest DPS and no single mistake in rotation (I must tell you first, rotation I use with Ifrit and Garuda is a bit different so), I maximize every spell/skill usage and no down time, no OOM or less OOM

But result? surprised, its tell different story, I don't know what to say here, its just simple, you go do T8, and just compare both, what better, its tell me Ifrit is better, I didn't just do it on Strike Dummy too

I have no words to say more, I just simple continue using Ifrit just because its damn simple result telling me "Yo Ifrit have edge over Garuda" unless result is broken shit which its not possible, when I choose to believe something, I carefully check if its look correct first, I will not rush to conclude

[NightReach]

I tried ifrit to entertain some people but its not worth it, contagion is just too strong. If ifrit is coming on top of your parses, I can only say you dont really know how to use contagion at the right places.

[Staris]

I severely doubt any current parser accurately reflects contagion / buffs

[NightReach]

The thing with contagion is that its too good in too many places. It work with all dots including poison potions, artificially lengthens any DPS buff you apply, and perhaps most importantly it saves you close to 700 mana every 60 sec...

[Madoka]

Garuda

Contagion on RS dots, Mega/X int pots and potent poison pots beats out ifrit's maybe 10 dps gain over Garuda.

[Ryuko]

I'm surprised there are people advocating for using Ifrit on this fight. Not only does Contagion give you equal dps potential to Ifrit's slight advantage (because you can time it, for example, when a dreadnought is coming and keep your dots ticking on the main boss while at the same time killing a dreadnought fast -- in my experience a dreadnought dies a few seconds before Bio is about to wear off), but this fight is also a HUGE mana sink. It's long. There's really not much to dodge (besides popping your assigned towers and moving for marks)... a lot of it is just sitting on the boss's butt, so you're not going to naturally regen as much mana as you would on a fight that has 'breaks' of dodging. On the plus side, that also means there's almost no time when you should be using Ruin 2, the exception being if you are popping buffs not on the GCD and want to squeeze in as much damage as possible. I like contagion on this fight because it helps me conserve mana. Ruin spam filler is 79 mp... recasting dots more often? More mp. I haven't even finished this fight yet (50% about) but I can already tell mana conservation is important, and Contagion does help with that.

[Altimis]

I think its useless to continue my post here since people will never listen and will not open their mind and yet will truly believe Contagion conserve their MP and able to out DPS Ifrit in T8 fight, I bet you people not even care to do experiment and open your eyes to the truth, I don't see what the point to post more because only bullcrap all I see is Contagion almost everywhere and with MP conserve, I even wonder if your Bard never do their jobs or Bard is hard to find for T8

I done here, My purpose here is not to convict people to use Ifrit, I come here to say I use Ifrit in T8 in first place and if people wonder why Ifrit, I answered. People happy with Garuda so I don't see why I should try to argue on that