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    Mirakumi's Avatar
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    Lady Zelda
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    Leviathan
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    Archer Lv 92

    Am I being elitist? Honest question.

    I recently started my own Extreme FC LS on Zodiark and we've gotten a good progression in. At least we've gotten to Titan Ex Super Bombs.

    However there was another person on my server who seemed to be rather aggressive in tells. He was upset that I told his FC member that he should place his Garuda egi off the side of Titan so it doesn't take damage when the floor falls. (Because he had Garuda on heel the whole time and it kept dying.) I also told him he needed to learn his rotation more because he wasn't using shadowflare ever. This FC member was their leader.

    He told me I need to slow down and that I'm an elitist. I argued that I'm not the type of person to stay quiet and I think its better to try to help others right away. (I was not calling this person names. I just simply said, I think it would be better if you tried X approach.) Again I was slammed with the term elitist. That I should just let X person be and they will figure it out on their own.

    So what I'm trying to grasp at this forum is that should I shut my mouth and let people play how they want to? I have never kicked anyone out of my LS or GRP. I have offered ways to help them improve their dps such as the class forums here and even I have watched videos on their class rotations for them.

    The SMN thanked me for helping him with Garuda egi later on, but his FC leader since then has been very hostile - pushing that I need to get over myself. "It's just a game"
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    yahhzoo's Avatar
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    Yui Stark
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    I don't think you are acting as a elitist, you were merely trying to help this player and suggest ideas that will better him. The FC leader did not need to act hostile towards you for offering information especially since it seems like you offered your advice politely. As a new player I love when people give me suggestions instead of just flipping out over a small mistake.
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    Lufie Newleaf
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    You are giving good advice there. There's a certain skill to phrasing advice in such a way that you do not come across as an elitist. It's easier to sound superior and being hard on somebody than it is to sound like you are being sincerely helpful.
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    Kinnison Cooke
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    Malboro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    You are giving good advice there. There's a certain skill to phrasing advice in such a way that you do not come across as an elitist. It's easier to sound superior and being hard on somebody than it is to sound like you are being sincerely helpful.
    This, so much. Phrasing and tact are key when giving advice and not coming across as condescending.
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    Luna Nattvind
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    Yes, you were elitist, didn't you know? Anyone who can play this game is an elitist according to most of the community.
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    Learn, explore, and think for yourself. Make your choices, take actions, and let yourself be free.

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    Shenandoah's Avatar
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    Yamete Oniichan
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    Hyperion
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    Some people throw the term elitist too lightly lol
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    Bynder Whitehowler
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    On a side note, can I ask how on earth you guys can keep an eye on what other players are doing during a fight? ^^;; Have you always been able to or does it come from experience. Most fights I can just about concentrate on my own skills and avoiding aoe's, and have no idea what skills other people are using. Maybe it's more of a White Mage issue to try and not stare at the health bars so much?
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    M'kael Jin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velo_Vandore View Post
    Maybe it's more of a White Mage issue to try and not stare at the health bars so much?
    If anything, it should be even easier as a WHM because you have to be situationally aware at all times (health bars, buffs/debuffs, incoming AoEs, where is the tank, who is about to get hit by bad stuff for pre-cast heals, etc). It's not as easy if you're still learning a fight, but if you practice enough to know what is coming when, then you can spare glances for what the rest of the party is doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velo_Vandore View Post
    ...?
    My ex-main on another server. I used to be a healer/sch so I had the view always zoomed and was able to see everything. I do the same with monk because avoiding plumes and seeing where bombs drop is a must. Since I'm now a melee - I noticed tunnel vision is terrible so I have to pull out camera as well.

    But yeah the conversation hit points with the FC leader where he said I'm a new player, and I told he was wrong. I had experience from 1.0 on another character and had progressed to at least t8. Thus the term elitist branched from there I suppose. He said I was asking too much from new players. I told him, you don't need i100 to do a fight. These fights were downed pre-echo NP. I told him they could even be solo healed.

    Later he asked to join my LS, I let him in because I don't want to turn people away with a silly reason as I simply, "Don't like them." (It would be childish on my end.) However I cannot be coy when he constantly challenges me in LS chat like he's trying to show off his bigger epeen. So yes that's why I made this forum. To understand better. =)
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    Nyne Helios
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    Excalibur
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    Goldsmith Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Velo_Vandore View Post
    On a side note, can I ask how on earth you guys can keep an eye on what other players are doing during a fight? ^^;; Have you always been able to or does it come from experience. Most fights I can just about concentrate on my own skills and avoiding aoe's, and have no idea what skills other people are using. Maybe it's more of a White Mage issue to try and not stare at the health bars so much?
    Once you are very familiar with a fight, its pretty easy to determine who is doing what, and being hit by various mechanics.
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