Adding a political system

[Dyne]

Oh come on already, can we please stop with the fake argument of, "They should implement "x". And if they don't, then they're limiting players' options".

For one, it implies a false dichotomy. SE has other activities and game systems planned that are going to be added to the game over time. Those are options that will become available to players that will ensure their choices of things to do aren't "limited".

It's like some kind of pre-emptive guilt-trip tactic some people use to get their way. It's like a child telling their parents, "If you don't give me the new bike I want, then you want to ruin my Christmas".

Dyne, with some of the things you're saying in defense of your idea, I can tell you two things off the bat:

1. The arguments and ideas you've put forth so far for such a system would likely do more to guarantee it won't happen than anyone else's counter-arguments could; not to mention how impractical or out-of-place it would be in the current setting.
2. You clearly haven't thought the idea through, beyond "it would be cool to be able to rule a city and have an influence over how other players experience it". You've indicated this yourself with your remark about how "the devs could work out the details later".

It's on par with someone writing up a few paragraphs about a game they'd like to play, sending it off to a game developer and saying "Hey, this is my game idea. Please make it. Lots of people will like it, because I think it's a good idea".

You want the system simply because you want the system, and that's about the extent of it, and "let someone else figure out how to make it work".

Wonderful.

Limiting what you can and cannot do does take away some fun in the game. For example, the stamina bar. I also mentioned this as a future plan. Not I want it now! Now! Now! Now!
Think of the forefathers of America when they were coming up with the ideas for the Constitution. Did one person come up with everything or did they argue it to death? Just because I don't have all the details now doesn't mean the idea is dead.

[Dyne]

Even Bled admitted it wouldn't work like you hope, ever.

Most people in the thread get that it's not going to work.

By most people, you mean you, bled, prey? Wow, that's a lot of people that speaks for everybody.

[Amineri]

IMHO, if governments and political systems are established, then they should be designed around service of the player to the community. NOT about self-aggrandizement and "shits and giggles" for a person elected.

Also, I fail to see just what the purpose of establishing player-run political systems would be? What function in the game world would it fill? Ultimately, I think the next step (after Grand Companies) is the player-run private companies. The private companies are (quite likely) going to have a role to fill within the Eorzean-Garlmald conflict, and I'm sure there will be plenty of politicking within them. What about starting with that before trying to create city-wide or server-wide dictatorships?

[SuzakuCMX]

Me, odette, viion, anonymoose, Bled, Eugenics, Prey, Elkwood, Amineri

I do believe that is the majority of the people in the thread saying it won't work as you want it to.

[weeble]

since one did we have to create the game for the devs, we are here to give our ideas. wtf makes you think we need to have a full page tutorial on our ideas lol. he gave his idea, some will like it some will not.

the majority that don't will crap on all the parts that are irrelevant to the suggestion, he is right, if anything in the consept that u see as broken, well launch it fixed lol.

also i think the main reason anyone wouldn't like this is what u added, most people just don't want to get ruled on by another player in the game specially since they know theres a slim chance of it ever being them for whatever reason. but either way if this is the broke part then fix that, don't need to crap on him for an idea that some can find good.

[SuzakuCMX]

since one did we have to create the game for the devs, we are here to give our ideas. wtf makes you think we need to have a full page tutorial on our ideas lol. he gave his idea, some will like it some will not.

the majority that don't will crap on all the parts that are irrelevant to the suggestion, he is right, if anything in the consept that u see as broken, well launch it fixed lol.

also i think the main reason anyone wouldn't like this is what u added, most people just don't want to get ruled on by another player in the game specially since they know theres a slim chance of it ever being them for whatever reason. but either way if this is the broke part then fix that, don't need to crap on him for an idea that some can find good.

I find that your telling me to stop crapping on him is limiting my options and making this thread less entertaining for me.

[weeble]

i was mainly talking to Preypacer ... u all have your right to your opinions on it, but i find craping on him for not mathmatically writing out the creation of man is just stupid.

also it usually the other foot that creates reasons to not implement things ...not the other way around, an idea is an idea. it's the excuses for not putting it in that are usually absurd or one way open ended

[Dyne]

IMHO, if governments and political systems are established, then they should be designed around service of the player to the community. NOT about self-aggrandizement and "shits and giggles" for a person elected.

Also, I fail to see just what the purpose of establishing player-run political systems would be? What function in the game world would it fill? Ultimately, I think the next step (after Grand Companies) is the player-run private companies. The private companies are (quite likely) going to have a role to fill within the Eorzean-Garlmald conflict, and I'm sure there will be plenty of politicking within them. What about starting with that before trying to create city-wide or server-wide dictatorships?

Yeah, it can be designed around a service to the community also, like allowing certain options to be available for your city. Like free chocobo travel for everyone, in return you pay a little higher taxes. However, someone can hate paying higher taxes, then take away free chocobos when they win the election. You can become a righteous ruler or a very bad one. It's all about role playing. The main purpose of player-run political system is exactly that, role playing. It's something that people could only dream of doing in real life. It would also promote loyalty to your nation and competition with other nations. How you make that happen is up to you, playing nice or playing dirty, it's your choice. In the end, it gets the community involved.

[Kio]

I wouldn't personally enjoy or appreciate other players having that influential an impact upon my own game. Also do to the unique feature of our game being international on the same servers, it would be difficult to be fair amongst each local community.

The only person I wish to have final desicions on how the game will be, is King Yoshi.

[Dyne]

I find that your telling me to stop crapping on him is limiting my options and making this thread less entertaining for me.

Why you gotta be a dream killer?