Dragoons need to be buffed...

[mythicrose]

Please do not use Dragoon Jumps btw as something better then Shoulder Tackle in terms of a gap closing mobility. I would give up my two gap closers to have the CD of Shoulder Tackle, even with the range requirement.

Amen to that.

>_>'

You're joking...right?

How is his post wrong? You lose potency, for sure. But you can stay at the rear and still maintain GL3.

[Taleon]

Indeed, they lose potency, but are able to keep up both GL and Twin buff. Not to mention, what happens when you stack two Monks in a group ?
Need only check the results of BG and their Monk parsing 475 was it ?

I am not against Monks, just trying to even out the opinionated remarks from the people that do not understand both the classes.

[Lemon8or]

Indeed, they lose potency, but are able to keep up both GL and Twin buff. Not to mention, what happens when you stack two Monks in a group ?

Just like how you're able to keep up both Heavy Thrust and Disembowel? Indeed Monks have better synergy with each other compared to Dragoons since they only need 1 to keep up Dragon Kick while Dragoons have to use Disembowel to get to Chaos Thrust but a good group would take both to avoid wasted gears. I wish my group was MNK DRG BRD SMN/BLM so any gears dropped are claimed but we'll work with what we've got.

Need only check the results of BG and their Monk parsing 475 was it ?

Proof? And what ilevel? I'd love to do 475. o.O Though my tanks might not appreciate it. -.-"

[Taleon]

Do not think there is a single Dragoon that would give up applying their own Chaos Thrust line to just use TT line even knowing their Dis is being overwritten. If there is one playing with you :P lol kick him for one that knows that a single Chaos line is more dmg then a TT line ^^

Not sure of the Ilevel to be honest with you, just know there was one Monk to keep DK up full time and the other to see how high he could push. With admittance of parsing being bannable to the main forums here, I do not think you will find any "proof" Just going off from what was told to me ^^

[Jollyy5]

So far I've gotten the impression that a Dragoon is pretty much only good for buffing Bard DPS and for not wasting dropped gear...

[Taleon]

Would not say they are a waste. There are a number of fights, where they are just as equally useful as a Monk, so do not look at it that way. The difference between Monks and Dragoons are a trade off, both have advantages, both have disadvantages. Heavier ST dmg from a Monk, lesser ST but better AoE from a Dragoon. ( and it is decent AoE if they know how to :P ) Both share the same cross classing, so very close in many aspects.
I started playing a Monk, only because it was a waste of gear in my group for Monks, and I would always have half the gear set done since Monks and Dragoons share right side slots.

Most of the time, regardless what people preach, it comes down to Raid Make up Preference to chooses which is more useful.

[Lemon8or]

So far I've gotten the impression that a Dragoon is pretty much only good for buffing Bard DPS and for not wasting dropped gear...

Why do you have to stick with Monk vs Dragoon instead of Monk and Dragoon? There is nothing in coil 2 that purnishes having them both. Turn 7 is even easier for healer to have 2 melees as Circle of Flame always target the same people. At the end of the day, Dragoon still do better single target DPS than BLM and BRD. It just shows your insecurity because of something your FC said months ago that doesn't hold true anymore. Find people that accepts you for who you are or change other people's mind by proving them wrong. My FC used to hate healing me when I was a Warrior (the only one in my FC, other tanks are all Paladins) but after seeing how good I was at it, they have a better outlook on Warrior now.

[mythicrose]

Just like how you're able to keep up both Heavy Thrust and Disembowel?

Dragoon positionals are mandatory, though. If a heavy thrust misses the flank or impulse drive misses the rear, this halts the dragoon's entire rotation. Missing a single flank/rear for a monk is only a temporary potency loss as it does not interrupt your combo or rotation.

Back on topic. I wouldn't say no to a shorter gap closer but dont' feel dragoons really need a dps boost.

[YanderePrincess]

Which is literally the reason you're there...

You don't read much, do you?

[Lemon8or]

Dragoon positionals are mandatory, though. If a heavy thrust misses the flank or impulse drive misses the rear, this halts the dragoon's entire rotation. Missing a single flank/rear for a monk is only a temporary potency loss as it does not interrupt your combo or rotation.

And that's the trade off you have to make. Mandatory positionals but only 2 skills required or non-mandatory positionals but 6 skills depend on it. It's a DPS loss regardless.