Dragoons need to be buffed...

[BlackThought]

This has devolved into what every argument does. I've no desire to even do it anymore. At some point willful ignorance is just too exhausting to combat.

[JetBrooks]

This has devolved into what every argument does. I've no desire to even do it anymore. At some point willful ignorance is just too exhausting to combat.

Bahaha, but we have to keep the narbs from listening to terrible logic!

[BlackThought]

He's not complaining. He's calmly explaining how Dragoon actually works.

[kukurumei]

He's not complaining. He's calmly explaining how Dragoon actually works.

We should all know how a Drg works. Some people just have the grass is greener, whine whine effect. Drgs do not loose a crap ton of damage from a simple miss. Content isn't a training dummy, a good drg will have several ways to change their rotation to fit the content.

And if you play a mnk or a blm, it's heck a easier for a drg to pick themselves up then some other classes.

How drg actually works, indeed.

Why the hell would you use it from 20 feet away? Power Surge + Jump is 300 potency off GCD, and perfectly easy to use at melee range.

Technically that stupid jump animation even with the best clipping, will often exceed the off-GCD limit between your skills. And realistically jump you either pair with power surge or save for bursts in most fights that matter anyway. Hard to say as there are so many situations .

[YanderePrincess]

Technically that stupid jump animation even with the best clipping, will often exceed the off-GCD limit between your skills. And realistically jump you either pair with power surge or save for bursts in most fights that matter anyway. Hard to say as there are so many situations .

I've never had it exceed the "off-GCD limit between skills" by any significant degree. I do only use it with Power Surge, but that's partly because I tend to lose track of its cd and would end up having to delay Power Surge as a result, so I find it simpler to just always pair it with Power Surge.

[whiskeybravo]

I've never had it exceed the "off-GCD limit between skills" by any significant degree. I do only use it with Power Surge, but that's partly because I tend to lose track of its cd and would end up having to delay Power Surge as a result, so I find it simpler to just always pair it with Power Surge.

I really wish they would adjust the CD for Power Surge. I feel like it's only worth using Jump with Power Surge, which means Jump is really a 60sec CD instead of 40 sec. I don't know how other Drgs feel, but if PS was 80 sec instead of 60 we could at least use Jump on CD instead of holding on to it. (Unless I'm totally wrong, it basically means 1 extra jump in a 5 min time period)

[BlackThought]

We should all know how a Drg works. Some people just have the grass is greener, whine whine effect. Drgs do not loose a crap ton of damage from a simple miss. Content isn't a training dummy, a good drg will have several ways to change their rotation to fit the content.

You can't circumvent the mechanics of the game by being 'good'. You keep insisting this is a question of opinion when it isn't. DRGs do lose a ton of damage each and every time a heavy thrust or impulse drive is missed for all the reasons already articulated in this thread. That isn't debatable no matter how much you insist because it's verifiable.

[kukurumei]

You can't circumvent the mechanics of the game by being 'good'. You keep insisting this is a question of opinion when it isn't. DRGs do lose a ton of damage each and every time a heavy thrust or impulse drive is missed for all the reasons already articulated in this thread. That isn't debatable no matter how much you insist because it's verifiable.

And you are insisting that you can't make up 3 seconds of buff drop time and 60pot or so of positional damage. Oh cry me a river.

You can even have no changes at all to whatever rotation that you don't seem to want to modify, and still your lost is 15% or so for 3-5 seconds.

Wee that's a whole miss auto attack there.

The whole drg rotation is based on non clipping ideal. Clipping it or delaying it is not the end of the world when it happens.

Every DPS on the map has it much worse the drg in that respect

[whiskeybravo]

And you are insisting that you can't make up 3 seconds of buff drop time and 60pot or so of positional damage. Oh cry me a river.

You can even have no changes at all to whatever rotation that you don't seem to want to modify, and still your lost is 15% or so for 3-5 seconds.

Wee that's a whole miss auto attack there.

The whole drg rotation is based on non clipping ideal. Clipping it or delaying it is not the end of the world when it happens.

Every DPS on the map has it much worse the drg in that respect

I'm with Kuku here. Missing once or twice, or even 3 times is *in my experience* not usually detrimental in something like a 10 min fight (to either job). If it's a constant problem then yes, it would be a huge dps loss and needs to be corrected. The only exception I can see is in strictly burst-damage situations where absolutely every GCD counts.

[BlackThought]

And you are insisting that you can't make up 3 seconds of buff drop time and 60pot or so of positional damage. Oh cry me a river.

You can even have no changes at all to whatever rotation that you don't seem to want to modify, and still your lost is 15% or so for 3-5 seconds.

Good lord, you're dense. Is there a time machine ability I'm unaware of? If not the answer is yes. I cannot make up that time. Potential DPS loss is lost because that's... how... it... works.