I don't know about some of you, but when I'm moonlighting in Roulette I have to hold back on my damage output substantially else I'll steal hate at every group of mobs. And that's with just the actions I have available at the capped level ranges. Yes, I can and have pulled hate with just the poison shot and Bloodletter. Toss in my full rotations and the tank will never have hate ever, assuming I'm one of those idiotic Bards that believes you can manage hate in the face of full rotations with just the two hate management actions Bards have (which I thankfully am not). I dare not imagine how much hate a Dragoon or Monk can generate with their full rotations, given they are full DDs versus the Bard's support DD role.