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    Player Akiza's Avatar
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    Rhel Eryut
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90

    Summoner Pet's design and appearance

    If this wasn't a Final Fantasy Title no one would complain about the Summoner but this is Final Fantasy XIV and people expect a certain feel and experience. Summoner's should get smaller and weaker replicas of the primals with a few tweaks.

    Ifit- Eruption and Radiant Shield should be replaced with a Fire II and Fire IV Aoe
    Titan- Weight of the Land and Goal should be replaced with Stone II and Stone IV Aoe
    Garuda- Friction and Great Whirlwind should be replaced with Aero II and Aero IV Aoe.
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    OmegaNovaios's Avatar
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    Omega Novaios
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Akiza View Post
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    So basically you want all the pets to be DPS based nukers with nukes based on the element they represent. Eruption, Weight of the Land, Goal, Friction, and Great Whirlwind are not actual attacks that the Egis even possess (with only Radiant Shield being one actually possessed). Elemental weaknesses do not exist thus making none of the Egis any different at all other than a differently named action and a different action animation. Your design makes pets even less versatile and more bland than they already are. If you plan on trolling at least make less obvious and if you plan on helping pet design at least make it worthy of considering.

    Now I have an issue with Egis in general, but this "fix" is way worse than anything SE has ever botched in the history of FFXIV (including releasing 1.0 w/o any content). Fixing the actual issues is possible though.

    The actual issues are:
    1. The SMN does not actually need the pet to be a VIABLE DPS. Only to get #1 DPS. A pro SMN can still get #1 DPS in a party of average players w/o the pet at all.
    2. Garuda-Egi is TOO useful when compared to other pets JUST because of Contagion.
    3. Garuda-Egi is the highest DPS pet if no pet CDs are used (including Contagion).
    4. Garuda-Egi is the highest DPS pet if all pet CDs are used (even if you omit Contagion).
    5. Thus, as you can imagine, Ifrit-Egi is useless.
    6. Titan-Egi actually adds some versatility to SMN (wether keeping trash off yourself AOEing from a poor AOE tank, keeping an add off during a boss, or just soloing FATEs for atma farming), but no one you will party with actually cares about that because they invited you tot he party to DPS and even if you do #1 DPS in the party you will still get yelled at because people see Titan-Egi.

    Fixing them are quite EASY. I'm surprised SE hasn't.
    1. Pets need to feel more important. Now I do realize this #1 problem is a massive issue for SE (and SMN) in general. SMN are already too strong and buffing pets is unnecessary. Debuffing SMN so they can buff the pets is also an issue but its the only way to fix it. Unless you make it so only Garuda and Ifrit are DPS pets and ALL the rest offer something unique to SMN (which will not be DPS) that it will find hard to overlook not using.
    2. Contagion is great for SMN DPS, but it's bad for SMN design. Contagion would have been amazing on a non-DPS pet, but putting it on a DPS pet is kind of OP. Unless Ifrit is greatly buffed.
    3+4. Garuda should be a ranged nuking AOE DPS pet (with Contagion as the only viable single target DPS tool).
    5. Ifrit should be a melee slashing single target DPS. Ifrit's HP should be buffed to match Melee jobs compared to Garuda to match Mage jobs.
    6. This is a community issue, not a developer issue.

    With that said Ifrit should be the #1 single target DPS pet (and with HP to match the style that melee brings to the table). Garuda should be designed to be only used in single target DPS to buff DOTs while under the effect of Raging Strikes and then summoning Ifrit in its place afterward. Leviathan, Ramuh, and Shiva should not be DPS based pets. Sure they can do a bit of DPS from auto attacks as Titan does, but they should offer something else to the table that can make up for the lack of DPS such as buffs, debuffs, or healing (even a pet that can heal as well as a SCH pet WILL NOT make SMN a viable healer, it would make SMN a support healer if needed however).
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    Dude, taking Akiza seriously was a horrible life decision.
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    Ayukawa Madoka
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 90
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Is it that time again already?
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    Dyvid Pandemonium
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    Adamantoise
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    Blacksmith Lv 90
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    Player Akiza's Avatar
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    Rhel Eryut
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    Gilgamesh
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    People were complaining about the look and design of the Egis since Square Enix revealed them because they lacked the Final Fantasy style and feel. In Final Fantasy XI the Summoner job sucked but the pets were a balance between classic Final Fantasy and MMORPG game play while it's the reverse in Final Fantasy XIV cause the Summoner job is well designed but the Pets are out of place and certainly not Final Fantasy the same can be said bout Final Fantasy XII and XIII without the Final Fantasy title those games are great but since they have Final Fantasy name people have a certain expectation when it comes to artistic style, design and overall quality which both the Pets in Final Fantasy XIV and Final Fantasy XII and XIII lacked.
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    What are you even talking about anymore?
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  9. #9
    Player Akiza's Avatar
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    Rhel Eryut
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    They need to make the Pet a small replica of the Primal giving the Summoner pet more of a distinct Final Fantasy style and design and less lackluster MMO.
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 80
    I seriously wonder if you actually believe what you're saying. Or that you've been saying it so long that you are obligated to keep it going, even if you don't believe it anymore.
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