DPS Tool

[ShinkuTachi]

Made up facts on based on personal feelings.
seems legit.

b-b-but....all these things happened to me personally, therefore it applies to everyone and every situation.

[Gormogon]

Made up facts

Guess FFXI got easier because of my "personal feelings" and not because getting people to catch up.

Guess it was based on my "personal feelings" that nerfs are needed. Guess it is based on my "personal feelings" that echo is a thing.

DPS checks are a demerit that doesn't help anyone and it only serves as a tool for elitist to justify being jerks. Deadly Boss Mods is something that's helpful because it reminds people that they should react and what they are reacting too.

[Ikeda]

Why do people think only the top tier players use addons, this is a subscription mmo, addon support should have been included at launch. Why are people defending SE for not having addon support, it's mind boggling.

I'm not defending SE for not having add on support. I'm pointing out that the entire argument is pointless. No matter how much anyone screams or flails their arms SE will not add anything that has the slightest chance of causing lost casual subscriptions. Parsers have a negative stereotype that they're only used to abuse other players for underperforming. You can scream about how there's plenty of players that don't use them like that until you turn blue but because the loudest and most well known portion of the parser enthusiast group are the people that abuse it SE simply won't have any part of it. To them casual players are their source of money while hardcore players may as well be second class citizens. It doesn't help your case when the people that do abuse them come into the thread talking down to the people that are against parsers trying to make them look like "bads" or "people with something to hide". You can only blame the abusers for the game's lack of add-on support. SE's only doing what they think will lead to the most profits and retained subscriptions.

[kukurumei]

You do not need a parser to win. Parcer are good for a bit of theory crafting, but SE has made content on parsers strictly sub optimal or in other cases, detrimental.

You know you're doing good, if you have done the content to the level of
1: Your up time on bosses is high (if you're not hitting you're not doing good and death is obviously bad)
2: Phases of burst are properly done. AKA add phases where people save alll their Buffs/CDs
3: hitting the proper thing at the proper time. Randomly hitting stuff is bad

Stuffing a parser doesn't make you any better at the content.

Case in point is a blm who does bad on parser still pays his way in uses by simply being able to burst down adds fast with their flare and fire 3s.

Or a smn that can do some nice damage simply wipes the pt from lack of burst timing skills.

You need a job to perform xyz and abc. and you need people who can do certain things without messing up.

parsing is way way below that. Even the almighty T8 where it's one big punchy dummy, is still in the end, not really parser super friendly. Most of that fight is not screwing up the mechanics and keeping up time on the bosses. aka optimization. (and it also doesn't take a parser to tell you 3 monks and a brd can rip it to shreds, since 2 of those mnk are not on dk duty, with inf tp).

There are people that never parse a day in their life constantly hit the top scores by just doing things properly and their rotations well versed.

You don't need to know a rotation is good with a parser, simply by using it often, and reading their skill description.

[Docj]

Lets keep it civil and on topic please.

SE says we can't have battle parsers. That's a topic in itself to debate. Not really what I wanted this thread to discuss. I just want to work with what we already know we can't have and still try to get some raw numbers in some way.

Given we already know their stance on the subject. I started the thread with a simple idea to get some sort of tool that uses the dummies. I think this would only has positive impact in the game. This should in a small way please many and offend no one. If only the individuals in a dummy session can see the results, I don't see any reason for conflict.

Parsing dummy usage examples:

Know your potential DPS/HPS. Improve your potential. Test newly acquired gear's impact on potential. Test speed build vs crit build vs det build. Find out which of your several jobs has the highest potential. See people in the world training on dummies. Fun at Fc houses by letting parties hit the parsing dummies together. Dummy mode that randomly places aoe under the player striking to practice reaching potential while moving (only registering hits in the results not in damage). Idk, just some thoughts on it's use for some entertainment and function. I could go on.

[PrimeEvilPanda]

Didn't we have something like this in FFXI? Built-in I mean? Does anyone have a legitimate reason on why they didn't add that system to this game? And on/off topic, is there a reason why we can't call out percentages for the boss' HP? Is that feature removed from here as well? Or am I too Barbie and am missing it?

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I fail to understand this "discrimination" issue.

There is already a "discrimination" system in place, by the game itself - the ilvl requirement. That is the same as the old "gearscore", and is, in fact, the dumbest kind of discrimination ever.

ilvl is just nominal - you might be an ilvl 100 playing so bad that an ilvl 70 guy can outdps you. On the other hand, an objective "dps value" would be a way more precise measure of a player's skill.
Still "discrimination", sure - but at least a reasonable one.

By the way, I think we should stop using the word "discrimination" to describe "wanting other people to carry their weight", because this is how it's being used.

[scarebearz]

I expect a lot of the people calling out "discrimination" are the ones who join a "Farm Party" for Ex's and expect to be carried.

[Logo]

Guess FFXI got easier because of my "personal feelings" and not because getting people to catch up.

Guess it was based on my "personal feelings" that nerfs are needed. Guess it is based on my "personal feelings" that echo is a thing.

I don't think you understand what DPS checks are.
DPS checks are helpful because they give you a heads up, let you know if you're ready for the instance.

But a simple fact that can't be argued.
More info is good when trying to figure out how to best play your character.
DPS meter would give us more info.
Simple.

Honestly its just a game.
If you feel like not reaching a certain level of proficiency with your job, so be it.

But please understand why other people don't want to play with you.
It's not because they are jerks.
It's because they are better than you.

[Logo]

By the way, I think we should stop using the word "discrimination" to describe "wanting other people to carry their weight", because this is how it's being used.

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