DPS Tool

[Yurimi]

The only reason they want it to be forced in is so they can justify the harassment. Happens all the time.

So you are perfectly fine with being removed from any premade with no reason as to why ? Let's face it 99% of the ones who will use this are already using it because they do what needs it. In a premade where it matters it's already being watched in duty finder honestly if the group can't make it chances are over half of them will vote abandon anyway before it even matters. It's just like voice chat, SE doesn't want to add it but groups will still require it. At least you will know why you were removed and can work on improving or if someone tries to get on you you can say look at this tab or that tab I did 3 raises and 20% of the healing and did all this rather than them not telling you anything and you having to guess or them simply eyeballing what people were doing and kicking you because they think you were to low or doing something wrong.

[Gnova]

This FF14 community is literally the only one that i have seen that wants less from their developers by not wanting addon support or voip in a subscription base MMO.

Next it will be the removal of emotes because you can be a big meanie with them.
After that maybe chat text because there are a lot of people that say mean things in them.

[Skull_Angel]

Yet how many times is it used for that over, "muh dps"? Since all throughout this thread there's been nothing but the mention of it being required to JUDGE DPS.

Everyone in the theorycrafting community uses it for "that" (picking apart fight data, bit-by-bit), all the people that have confirmed or debunked possible optimal rotations and CD use times [which goes beyond just DPS and into healing and tanking]. Sure some of it can be done semi-accurately eye-balled or with manual recording, but having access to accurate information in a timely and neat format gets faster and more accurate results. And, what is the result of that knowledge? Other groups or people concerned with their performance due to any number of reasons have access to information confirming or denying what they are doing is the best they can do.

[AlyssaFhey]

i am by no means and elite player, but people being called out for not performing as well as others on dps with their character is .... discrimination? You are not helping those players by hiding the fact that they under perform, and you dont help the game as whole by doing this.

People need practice to get better. I agree that would require a call out or two, but what happens if people see you perform badly once and they decide they'll just blacklist you? It's no longer a fun game.

[Souljacker]

I personally think that the only folks against DPS meters are the ones who aren't really interested in improving themselves. If they were, then there would be no issue with a meter. I used them in other games to gauge my performance versus what the general consensus was for that ilevel and it helped tremendously. The level of discrimination (i.e. elitists) already exists in game. I see so many PF with just jerkface comments in them and we don't even have meters. Keeping the tools away from the players who want to improve themselves just to spare the feelings of those who don't is a terrible way to approach the situation.

[jars]

there's always resistance to in game voip because it's a complete waste of resources for something no one will use

[Killance]

DPS meters would ruin the community even further. No thank you, keep meters out of this game.

[Delsus]

I would be ok with a personal dps meter, one that shows your own dps, and possibly one that says the value that is highest in the party and possibly the average, but no names. This will allow players to improve, give them helpful information without giving players the oppertunity to put people down over it. There is no reason for the whole party to know who is doing the least damage except to put eachother down. The problem is it's inevitable that we will see scores of "You casual scrub learn to play" otherwise.

What I want is the best of both worlds, and this idea is the best I can think of.

[Logo]

DPS Meter for personal/light/full party or raid please.
More info is always helpful.

If you're ashamed of your DPS, then make it better,
or stay in Mor Dhona glamming more sailor shirts.

[Gormogon]

So you are perfectly fine with being removed from any premade

Like I've said before I'd rather not raid at all if this is how the community is gonna be in regards to raiding especially as they try and make it more difficult. This is what broke WoW by the end of its second expansion and 2 major patches in it is already breaking the community in FFXIV ARR.

I prefer fun over stress regardless of wipes and loot.