DPS Tool

[Silvanoshi]

Considering all the hard DPS-Checks in the game, this tool is kind of needed. Throw in the portion of players that dont know thier rotations... It's no wonder people are complaining about not being able to beat T5 with Echo.

As far as harassment stemming from a DPS tool, some people are still going to get frustrated from not knowing whats wrong in thier raid group and get angry/harass anyway.

[Gormogon]

Considering all the hard DPS-Checks in the game, this tool is kind of needed. Throw in the portion of players that dont know thier rotations... It's no wonder people are complaining about not being able to beat T5 with Echo.

As far as harassment stemming from a DPS tool, some people are still going to get frustrated from not knowing whats wrong in thier raid group and get angry/harass anyway.

The only reason they want it to be forced in is so they can justify the harassment. Happens all the time.

[Yurimi]

The only reason they want it to be forced in is so they can justify the harassment. Happens all the time.

So you are perfectly fine with being removed from any premade with no reason as to why ? Let's face it 99% of the ones who will use this are already using it because they do what needs it. In a premade where it matters it's already being watched in duty finder honestly if the group can't make it chances are over half of them will vote abandon anyway before it even matters. It's just like voice chat, SE doesn't want to add it but groups will still require it. At least you will know why you were removed and can work on improving or if someone tries to get on you you can say look at this tab or that tab I did 3 raises and 20% of the healing and did all this rather than them not telling you anything and you having to guess or them simply eyeballing what people were doing and kicking you because they think you were to low or doing something wrong.

[Gormogon]

So you are perfectly fine with being removed from any premade

Like I've said before I'd rather not raid at all if this is how the community is gonna be in regards to raiding especially as they try and make it more difficult. This is what broke WoW by the end of its second expansion and 2 major patches in it is already breaking the community in FFXIV ARR.

I prefer fun over stress regardless of wipes and loot.

[Assirra]

Like I've said before I'd rather not raid at all if this is how the community is gonna be in regards to raiding especially as they try and make it more difficult. This is what broke WoW by the end of its second expansion and 2 major patches in it is already breaking the community in FFXIV ARR.

I prefer fun over stress regardless of wipes and loot.

That is nice and you can do it with a group of the same minded people.
Why does it have to be banned for everyone just because you play the way you do? Does only your way of playing counts?

Let's say they will add in a tool that lets you judge all the stats, so you get removed because you didn't do enough dps. That is exactly bad why? The chances of it happening in DF are very low and if you join a party you agree to play by their rules.
Join a party without a dps requirement if you don't want people to judge your dps. I am sure you will find enough people to do so.

[Gormogon]

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For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't. What percentage of the population of players do you think down coil within the first second and third week of its release? Those people might not receive the negative backlash from the toxic players yet with a big amount of players that aren't "playing correctly" if it's a standard those toxic players will find it justified to vent their frustration and anger on the rest. Since they will use DF they will use PF and they will not seclude themselves to special little groups where they group up with each other to yell at each other.

As for your second question it answers itself.

[Assirra]

For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't. What percentage of the population of players do you think down coil within the first second and third week of its release? Those people might not receive the negative backlash from the toxic players yet with a big amount of players that aren't "playing correctly" if it's a standard those toxic players will find it justified to vent their frustration and anger on the rest. Since they will use DF they will use PF and they will not seclude themselves to special little groups where they group up with each other to yell at each other.

As for your second question it answers itself.

Yes i answered myself, and i gave you a way so we are both happy, not only you. And i am still waiting for those so called "wrong purposes" other then to say "your deeps suck". Info is GOOD. I really don't understand this whole concept where hiding stuff is considered a good thing.
Using it in DF is pointless since you can't kick and just ignore a loud mouth anyway. But no, you simply don't want to do that and now the people that want to actually step up their game have to use illigal means to see what they can improve. Some logic going on here.

these tools are getting daily used in wow and in a thing called LFR which is the biggest cesspool imaginable you barely see people flipping out unless someone is actually barely doing anything.

I say you are vastly overrating the harm people will with it.

[Viridiana]

For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't.

And I'm sure you have hard numbers for that. . .

[Pooky_Pasha]

For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't.

I'd love to see the research studies, statistics, or what-have-you to back this up. Something other than anecdotal evidence or personal bias, as neither of those are reliable sources of information.

Anyway, all a standardized dps parser would do is...nothing except make dps reads more accurate. They are used regardless of ToS, and people still get harassed and get kicked from parties for poor performances. If there were a standardized dps parser, and you're still getting harassed for your poor performance, you can still screenshot/report. Or you can improve your gameplay, but that may take a little work.

i am by no means and elite player, but people being called out for not performing as well as others on dps with their character is .... discrimination? You are not helping those players by hiding the fact that they under perform, and you dont help the game as whole by doing this.

If used correctly, it's called accountability. If a player wants to participate in a raid, there is nothing wrong with expecting that person to improve if they are holding the group back, or get dismissed from the group. Heck, even if the group is doing ok, but that person has huge room for improvement, there is nothing wrong with expecting that person to improve. If people are wanting to raid, they should expect to be held accountable for their performances. It's just that with dps, there has to be a parser involved. Parsers just happen to also provide useful performance information for tanks and healers as well.

[Rankina]

Like I've said before I'd rather not raid at all if this is how the community is gonna be in regards to raiding especially as they try and make it more difficult. This is what broke WoW by the end of its second expansion and 2 major patches in it is already breaking the community in FFXIV ARR.

I prefer fun over stress regardless of wipes and loot.

That's stupid and incredibly selfish. 'OH I'D RATHER NOT RAID BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE MEAN TO ME BECAUSE MY DPS MUST BE LOW BUT INSTEAD OF FIXING IT I'M GOING TO GO WHINE ON THE FORUMS!" What in gods name is so bad with adding a DPS meter for PERSONAL use or adding a DPS meter for Coil or even PF groups? Is there something bad with that? Oh, is it because I'm SUPPOSED to play with someone who can barely get about 200 DPS in Turn 8 or something? No thanks. And PF?I'm supposed to wipe 50 billion times to DPS checks, or wipe to Titan EX because people can't dodge, or wipe to Ifrit EX because people can't do nails, or the healers don't know the fight, or in Twintania, I'm supposed to wipe 50 billion times to Conflags/Divebombs/Twisters/Dreadknights? Clearly, THAT'S how you want this game to be played. But hey, why stop there, LET'S LOWER THE DIFFICULTY OF COIL BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE STRESS BECAUSE IT TAKES MORE THAN 30 MINUTES FOR A FIGHT.

As to "people being mean" GET OVER IT AND GET BETTER. I've stopped hosting learning parties because of this crap. Before I'd tell people their DPS was too low to pass A, I'd check what skills they'd use and offer them tips. I'd see what skills the healers used, I'd check the tanks cool downs used, but you know what? Because of people LIKE YOU WHINING ABOUT IT, I had to stop because I can't 'legally' use my parser anymore. So all those people who were learning? Screwed because of people like you. You claim that it's really because of elitists abusing it? SHOW ME. I've been active in PF quite a bit, joining adorable nublet learning parties, DFing Turn 1-4, Levi EX, Titan EX, Ifrit EX, etc, etc, and I've never seen it ONCE.

Not to mention, parsers STILL actively help you people in the new fights. How do you think we know the EXACT ACCURACY CAPS for Coil now? How do you think we know the required DPS from 5 players in Turn 8? BECAUSE THESE THINGS HELP US DO THAT. If you can't figure out how to play your job (Which is a BLACK MAGE FOR GODS SAKE, Fire 3 fire fire fire OH LOOK FIRESTARTER), then maybe you should look at a game like Hello Kitty Online.

2 major patches in it is already breaking the community in FFXIV ARR.

No, people like you broke the game.