DPS Tool

[Viridiana]

Parsers aren't gonna let the group know that I used virus or lethargy on the boss, eye for an eye or apocatastasis on a group member, that I avoided some mechanics with manawall, manaward, aetherial manipulation. That I'm off healing because the tank is low and the healer has died and we can drag it out and still down the fight. As well as the fact that everyone's dead and instead of allowing myself to die at 2% I kite and scathe and finish it off. Parsers don't take these kind of situational occurrences into consideration.

If you're going to argue against something, at least educate yourself as to what it entails. Parsers do, in fact, display every single bit of information you just mentioned.

[Alukah]

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I honestly doubt that would be fixed with a DPS meter, the problem there lies in the ridiculously low ilvl requirement and how badly ilvl is calculated, Copperbell and Haukke HM difficulty should either be toned down enough for i48 players or change the ilvl requirement, while expert dungeons should be toned higher, the first time I did expert dungeons I couldn't believe they were so much easier than high level dungeons, it's beyond logic.

I think SE just needs to implement it and punish people hard when they use it for the wrong reasons. On the other hand, telling someone "your dps is on the lower end" is something people should be able to take. Plenty of us to go over rotations.

I think that's exactly what they want to avoid, having to hire more people to patrol this when this tool isn't even a necessity.

[TestSubject09]

I think it's about HOW we're being told. Saying something like, "pop your offensive cds" is better than saying "dude, you suck as dps". This kills morale. That person may leave, now you have more downtime.

I am aware of this, but again this is the infuriating side of this community.... "There are bad eggs, so we shouldnt get voice chat or combat logs" .... its sickening... I guess we shouldn't have chat at all because that upsets people just as much. communication between annonomous humans via the internet should not be allowed.

dismissing features because people are so sensitive is bad... and while it may put off a few it won't put off anywhere close to everyone. MOBAs.... the most toxic communities out there... are now bigger than MMOs.... clear indication that just like in real life YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE OF ALL KINDS... not living in some censored shell.

[ziddyt]

this tool isn't even a necessity.

Says someone who's never done Coil.
If a group is not meeting the DPS checks in the end-game content, they need to know why, there's no debating that. It's SE who designed these encounters and chose to include DPS races (and proceeded to pretend that players should think DPS doesn't matter.) If we don't want people to parse, then there shouldn't be any soft or hard enrage in a fight.

And it's a moot point. The people you're worried about, elitists, 99% of them are already using parsers. It's already possible for people to cause all of the problems people are fearing. The only thing this is doing (and I realize SE wouldn't make an official parser, but as someone mentioned earlier, release the API already!) is depriving the decent players of accurate and reliable numbers, and preventing people who are afraid of using third party programs from having actual, verifiable ways to track their improvement and skill.

[BearGrylls]

As a console playe, I would love to have a parser or a way to assess my DPS/performance. As it stands, I don't really know how well i'm doing. I just have to hope that i'm doing my rotations efficiently enough. PC players are going to use parsers anyway so they have a pretty big advantage.

[Yurimi]

Honestly parsers already do exist they always will and while not officially condoned its a don't ask don't tell. So those who care about that sort of thing probably already have it. That said while they can't talk about it nothing is stopping them from stepping out of the duty and removi g you with out telling you why in the case of party finder. It's not harassment to remove someone fro. Your pre made group and all you will be left doing is wondering why groups keep kicking you. I for one would rather be told why I am being removed rather than just zoning out and finding I am no longer In The party.

[MeiUshu]

someone said that you have to deal with all sorts of people like in RL, when you accept this you accept that you will meet good, bad, average, some enjoy the game without asking themselves too many questions, others are just anal about it, others are perfectionists, we are all different, parsers will just give a reason to people to look down on others and believe they are invested of some godly powers that entitles them to get rid of this or that player, ust because you know they are so godly, same as I dont believe kick function should exist, same I disagree with the parsers. the idea may be good but the use that will be done wont be. Tha tool would be too adult for some to be left free for use

Mei

[Gormogon]

Parsers do, in fact, display every single bit of information you just mentioned.

That's not true though - parsers can tell you all of the above.

Yet how many times is it used for that over, "muh dps"? Since all throughout this thread there's been nothing but the mention of it being required to JUDGE DPS.

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[Silvanoshi]

Considering all the hard DPS-Checks in the game, this tool is kind of needed. Throw in the portion of players that dont know thier rotations... It's no wonder people are complaining about not being able to beat T5 with Echo.

As far as harassment stemming from a DPS tool, some people are still going to get frustrated from not knowing whats wrong in thier raid group and get angry/harass anyway.

[Gormogon]

Considering all the hard DPS-Checks in the game, this tool is kind of needed. Throw in the portion of players that dont know thier rotations... It's no wonder people are complaining about not being able to beat T5 with Echo.

As far as harassment stemming from a DPS tool, some people are still going to get frustrated from not knowing whats wrong in thier raid group and get angry/harass anyway.

The only reason they want it to be forced in is so they can justify the harassment. Happens all the time.