DPS Tool

[necrosis]

There needs to be some kind of check.

Just yesterday I was running Copperbell (hard) for my book. 2 wipes on first boss. 2 wipes on second. 4 wipes on last boss before I abandoned. Ran out of stones to feet the worm and the boss was at 30-40% HP. Tank was fine. Dropping the stones was... OK. But there was just a HUGE lack of DPS. After 4th wipe and 20 min left I did vote abandon. Tank protested saying "Oh come on we almost have it!". No... you didn't. 4 times and each time we ran out of stones to feed and boss wasent much below 50%.

I remember how bad things were when Copperbell and Mannor (Hard) came out. The tons of failed runs because of severely under equiped DPS getting into these runs because of SE's inability to calculate iLVL requirements properly.

I fully agree with Marxam. There needs to be some kind of forced check.

[dejavutwo]

I really like the idea of having a training dummy as a piece of furniture.

[Gormogon]

DPS meters should never be a thing since it not only create elitists that judge other players performances. The error comes when those same elitists feel that because it is a tool that is part of a game it is justified to insult other players.

The only DPS tool they should allow is something that helps manage personal DPS but overall simply serve as reminders.

Such as a better visual reminder that our DoT ticks and/or buffs are falling off than putting them first under the targets debuff icon area.

There needs to be some kind of check.

I fully agree with Marxam. There needs to be some kind of forced check.

A check shouldn't be needed at all.

If anything what Square-Enix could do is release a how-to video on how to play certain jobs. Yet not a "elitist" level video either just a simplistic and general video explaining what players should be doing on average. Simply take pointers from LoL "champion spotlight".

This videos only need to explain standard job specific rotations.

As an example for Black mages. Pointing out that Astral Fire 3 helps do more fire damage and that is why you should consider opening with Fire 3 and that when you get low on mana should consider using Blizzard 3 because astral fire 3 reduces ice spells casting time and thel mana regen umbral ice 3 offers is a big benefit in the rotation.

And they just queue in the video Fire 3 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Blizzard 3 > Thunder 3 rinse and repeat

And that if you need to move to move over getting hit.

Yet they don't have to be mentioning anything about double flare, triple flare, Aetherial Manipulation, manawall, manaward, scathe, etc. Since that's over doing it.

Or you can do these videos yourself and tell the DPS you queue with to watch em.

[Jim_Berry]

DC Universe has a chart on the menu that you can pull up to see damage dealt, damage received, your total deaths, total kills, total healing received, total healing dealt, etc.

[Jim_Berry]

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29nump4&s=6

[SockPoo]

There is an easy solution for when people insult you: leave the party and blacklist the person. You can even report them if they're being particularly offensive. It's not a person you want to be partying up with anyways. To not get a parser though because there's potential to get harassed, when you can just as easily ignore the player and carry on, is unfair to the majority of people that would use it properly. I've been in parties where someone has been kicked because they repeatedly pull subpar DPS, but is it really harassment when they are underperforming? Note that I've seen this only in coil and rarely in the extreme fights, but having weak dps there actually causes wipes and there's honestly no excuse at that point in the game.

Most of the time I see people getting kicked because they are constantly wiping the party by dying rather than DPS reasons, but I don't see this as a form of harassment because they are dragging their party down. I've actually been kicked more as a tank than a DPS just because of 1-2 bad pulls. Just learn to deal with any stray insults and your online life will be much better because of it instead of asking for the restriction of a useful tool. Many of these reasons also work for vote kick/abandon too, but they definitely have their uses and I'm glad they're there.

[TestSubject09]

Sigh.... I've lost faith with this forum, no voice chat because of discrimination ... (oh now... that 1% of mean people, now we should ban a feature because of it)...

And now we have to tip-toe around a FULL damage metre because people don't like being told that they are under performing? it boggles my mind.... how sensitive people are, no wonder the majority of loud mouths in duty finder think they are great when in reality they are far from it.... no evidence to put people in their places.

And no, its not elitism. statistics are important for raid improvement especially.... even Wild Star is launching with full "WildStar Logs" just like WoW has... being able to track absolutely everything that happens in a fight, its a very useful tool.

Why are features getting the shaft because of potential conflict? when in reality this game already has plenty of that with Duty Finder elitists? ... hypocritical to the core.

[Raenryong]

Cutting people out of the fight before they can try in this manner is discriminating. Fact of the matter is, some players need to be carried by others to clear certain content.

People are not entitled to be carried, though.

There is no doubt a tool like this could be useful. The question is how many people will use it for it's purpose and how many will abuse it and use it to discriminate.

What's wring with using it to discriminate? Would you invite a 4.5k HP tank to Turn 5? So why is it okay to invite a 150 DPS player?

Discrimination in a PF group is fine. You play with who you want to play with. I'm not sure why people get up in arms about that fact, and why "anti-elitists" feel the need to force themselves into groups that they are not a good fit for.

[Raenryong]

Why are features getting the shaft because of potential conflict? when in reality this game already has plenty of that with Duty Finder elitists? ... hypocritical to the core.

For the same reason that PvP targets are displayed as "Fresh Meat" - this game tiptoes around precious feelings extremely carefully, and caters to the lowest common denominator. While this isn't necessarily a bad thing in terms of business, it is pretty insulting to mid tier+ players on the whole.

[TestSubject09]

Indeed that seems to be the case, the game is very shallow, its holding my attention on brand name alone... love the atmosphere of the fights. the music n graphics... but as an MMO .... I'm fine with catering to new players.... but the end-game for veteran gamers is so shallow and limited.

Like people have said.... you dont except 4.5k hp tanks on turns. you don't accept a a 2.7k hp white mage on Titan.... yet banning Damage Dealers based on their awful damage output is different how?

If people are not told, then they likely won't get better and never see further into the game... boggles my mind... why people think critism is a dirty word... god help the kids in the working world.