DPS Tool

[Zell1226]

When the games major fights are built around DPS checks, you NEED to have everyone perform at somewhat the same level. It's not to bully people, it's to clear the friggin' content. For example, I did a Duty Roulette today and got Haukke Hard. I was an i90 WAR, paired with an i90 WHM. However, BOTH our DPS were about i50 (the lowest ilevel required for Haukke Hard is i48). We did okay at first, albeit slow. The first boss almost wiped us due to the amount of skeletons that ended up being spawned, because we killed it so slow. Second boss took a long time, though it wasn't out of hand like the first boss. Okay, it's a slow but decent run so far. Then, we get to the final boss. DPS was so slow we barely managed to drop each add to 20% before the boss absorbed them. (Which results in a very high amount of Blood Rain damage), sometimes flat out killing the BLM we had due to his 2.9k hp. We made it to the final phase only to have the boss use an Enrage mechanic which I have never seen before because it took so long. (She uses Fatal Allure on your party members and 1 shots them, healing HP to herself). We did this TWICE, once with me using DPS accessories and the WHM DDing half the fight. The DPS left because they realized they didn't have what it took to clear this dungeon, and it was simply because they could not do it. In 8 man raids, it's good to signify an issue if there is one, and clear it up. If a guy is too undergeared or inexperienced to clear content, he should be made aware of this so he can improve himself.

[Dano]

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to be fair, if the i50 players could queue into DF then they were geared enough for the content, they probably wasn't doing their rotations correctly or weren't utilizing their skills enough. That's why I think a training dummy with maybe tutorial on rotations and DPS parsing numbers would greatly improve everyone's skill base.

[zeroumus]

i think when you sign up for an MMO, you agree that you may be subject to some judgment , that being said, yes, SE does need to be worried about hurt feelings

[Gnova]

People really need to take a step back and decide what "elitist" means since it has become such a loaded term.
To most it means people that spend time theorycrafting, look for the absolutely the best rotation, and min-max everything. Most likely in a top end progression FC.
For some it seems to mean anyone who actually cares about how well they do their job.

If elitist means feeling that i shouldn't be carried though content and caring about how my DPS stacks up against par for the job I am playing then I guess I am guilty as charged.
BUT the truth is that I am not an elitist. I have played other MMOs where that name (the positive side of the term not the negative side) would apply to me so I definitely know the difference.
Regardless of how you play the game you should care about whether you play your job well or not.

You look at a tank and if he doesn't have the HPs or can't keep agro he isn't doing his job (even though if we could do a DPS check it may be because the DPS is just awesome and he can't keep hate).
You look at a healer and if people are dieing, they are dieing, detrimentals aren't being cleansed, or they are running out of MP then they aren't doing their job.
But god forbid if I ever mention in party chat that mobs seem to be taking a long time to die. HOW DARE I.
If the healer couldn't heal a group they would be kicked and that is without any quantitative evidence that shows they aren't performing as opposed to other people causing the problem.
If a dps gets kicked because of a DPS meter at least there is evidence to support the reason and not a gut feeling.

Parsers are a great tool for improvement but people are hung up on the one time in a hundred it is going to be used negatively.
If I am playing a DPS class and we are failing because of DPS problem I want to know if I'm the cause.

[abzoluut]

This has nothing to do with dps-meters. This has to do with peoples decency.

If we were to restrict everything because people are the ones abusing it, well... You can figure this one out yourselves.

Im from Europe myself. It's the "Western" servers where people like to go all elite on others. Just like it's our servers (EU/US) where there is massive RMT spam (because there is a market). It's a cultural thing. And no, I can't move to a JP server. Have done it up to lvl 38, lag is just too much.

I think SE just needs to implement it and punish people hard when they use it for the wrong reasons. On the other hand, telling someone "your dps is on the lower end" is something people should be able to take. Plenty of us to go over rotations.

[rockso]

so basically. the "elitist" just want to win things with people that can properly play their class and not deal with wipes after wipes. so when the "elitist" as for such a thing in pf and basically see that you are not up to par the "elitist" get burned at the stake.

....crazy.

[Gnova]

so basically. the "elitist" just want to win things with people that can properly play their class and not deal with wipes after wipes. so when the "elitist" as for such a thing in pf and basically see that you are not up to par the "elitist" get burned at the stake.

....crazy.

Exactly.
Where "elitist" would be considered an average or above quality player.
But I forgot we live in the age of participation medals and not caring if you perform well doesn't matter.

[ShinkuTachi]

PC gamers already have access to tools such as the FFXIV app; however, PS3/4 gamers have nothing.

So this kind of tool is already available to a large portion of the community. If anything, SE making an official tool like this in-game would be leveling the playing field as far as this is concerned.

[Nicobo]

Not sure it is good or not if they add combat result (same as the one after each PvP match) after each content.

But better performance will result faster fight (speed run) so maybe some players will blame this idea?

[BearGrylls]

As a console playe, I would love to have a parser or a way to assess my DPS/performance. As it stands, I don't really know how well i'm doing. I just have to hope that i'm doing my rotations efficiently enough. PC players are going to use parsers anyway so they have a pretty big advantage.