DPS Tool

[Gormogon]

people don't like being told that they are under performing?

Telling people that they are under performing is a huge "under"statement.

Where do elitist draw the line?

If someone's Max DPS with BiS gear is 700 do you complain when someone else can't do that 700? If you consider them lenient where do you think they draw the line 699? 690? 650? 500? 300? Be honest.

Since as far as I can tell some people go bonkers when they see ilvl60-80 on the expert dungeons. I've even some players literally losing their sanity in a DF/PF Brayflox HM when it takes 20-30 seconds more than their average high ilvl group of friends they usally SR with.

That's the reason why "muh dps meter" mentality is a huge demerit. So since going to extremes is the only way to get a point across I'll say this elitist with parsers have this mentality. "He did 5 dps less than average? He should literally be raided by every known agency and locked for life." All for wasting everyone's time because of 5DPS.

The majority of people with meters aren't lenient they use it to gloat and insult other players on average. Especially when those same people wont give "avoided" and "buffed/supported" the time of day.

[AliceVirgin]

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Yet im sure your the first to kick out a tank or healer who "aint doing there job" and making you wipe

[Gormogon]

Yet im sure your the first to kick out a tank or healer who "aint doing there job" and making you wipe

Only thing I have 0 tolerance for is jerks not bad players.

[Alise]

Where do elitist draw the line?

If someone's Max DPS with BiS gear is 700 do you complain when someone else can't do that 700? If you consider them lenient where do you think they draw the line 699? 690? 650? 500? 300? Be honest.

Since as far as I can tell some people go bonkers when they see ilvl60-80 on the expert dungeons. I've even some players literally losing their sanity in a DF/PF Brayflox HM when it takes 20-30 seconds more than their average high ilvl group of friends they usally SR with.

That's the reason why "muh dps meter" mentality is a huge demerit. So since going to extremes is the only way to get a point across I'll say this elitist with parsers have this mentality. "He did 5 dps less than average? He should literally be raided by every known agency and locked for life." All for wasting everyone's time because of 5DPS.

The majority of people with meters aren't lenient they use it to gloat and insult other players on average. Especially when those same people wont give "avoided" and "buffed/supported" the time of day.

Is that what happen in NA region?
I don't think they will be overboard that much. when you said different of 5 DPS make people rage, it can already tell that you never actually checking parse and assume all this.

Anybody check them will know that each runs with a different of 10 dps is normal thing. at the level when you could do above 400 dps, then you could have variance range of 20 dps sometimes, so I don't think people will care just 5 dps different.

I will tell you thought, when people complain, it is something like this.
Monk #1 420 dps.
Monk #2 200 dps.

Something that is below half of another players. and I wonder if it is so bad to let that guy realize?
(P.S. it is common to see one person in party doing below half of other too btw, and most people couldn't detect the person and would just play until the guy was pulled up so that he can do bad on next party.)

[Gormogon]

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Good and bad is not something that's exclusive to NA. Yet the whole elitist mentality born from over competitiveness is something that you can notice a lot in gamers brought up in the American culture for obvious reasons more than other nations that do house their own form of it because of how obviously "vocal" they tend to be.

Yes I don't use parsers because I don't care for them. Parsers aren't gonna let the group know that I used virus or lethargy on the boss, eye for an eye or apocatastasis on a group member, that I avoided some mechanics with manawall, manaward, aetherial manipulation. That I'm off healing because the tank is low and the healer has died and we can drag it out and still down the fight. As well as the fact that everyone's dead and instead of allowing myself to die at 2% I kite and scathe and finish it off. Parsers don't take these kind of situational occurrences into consideration. Parsers are primarily used so people can know their MAX DPS Numbers.

There's a difference of letting a person know that implementing an ability in their rotation would allow them to do more damage over "omg wtf is your problem noob? Don't you know how to DPS? Play something else or uninstall".

[Raenryong]

Yes I don't use parsers because I don't care for them. Parsers aren't gonna let the group know that I used virus or lethargy on the boss, eye for an eye or apocatastasis on a group member, that I avoided some mechanics with manawall, manaward, aetherial manipulation. That I'm off healing because the tank is low and the healer has died and we can drag it out and still down the fight. As well as the fact that everyone's dead and instead of allowing myself to die at 2% I kite and scathe and finish it off. Parsers don't take these kind of situational occurrences into consideration. Parsers are primarily used so people can know their MAX DPS Numbers.

That's not true though - parsers can tell you all of the above.

There's a difference of letting a person know that implementing an ability in their rotation would allow them to do more damage over "omg wtf is your problem noob? Don't you know how to DPS? Play something else or uninstall".

You're presenting a worst case scenario as an argument against far more common average scenarios.

[Viridiana]

Parsers aren't gonna let the group know that I used virus or lethargy on the boss, eye for an eye or apocatastasis on a group member, that I avoided some mechanics with manawall, manaward, aetherial manipulation. That I'm off healing because the tank is low and the healer has died and we can drag it out and still down the fight. As well as the fact that everyone's dead and instead of allowing myself to die at 2% I kite and scathe and finish it off. Parsers don't take these kind of situational occurrences into consideration.

If you're going to argue against something, at least educate yourself as to what it entails. Parsers do, in fact, display every single bit of information you just mentioned.

[Jim_Berry]

And now we have to tip-toe around a FULL damage metre because people don't like being told that they are under performing? it boggles my mind.... how sensitive people are, no wonder the majority of loud mouths in duty finder think they are great when in reality they are far from it.... no evidence to put people in their places.

I think it's about HOW we're being told. Saying something like, "pop your offensive cds" is better than saying "dude, you suck as dps". This kills morale. That person may leave, now you have more downtime.

[TestSubject09]

I think it's about HOW we're being told. Saying something like, "pop your offensive cds" is better than saying "dude, you suck as dps". This kills morale. That person may leave, now you have more downtime.

I am aware of this, but again this is the infuriating side of this community.... "There are bad eggs, so we shouldnt get voice chat or combat logs" .... its sickening... I guess we shouldn't have chat at all because that upsets people just as much. communication between annonomous humans via the internet should not be allowed.

dismissing features because people are so sensitive is bad... and while it may put off a few it won't put off anywhere close to everyone. MOBAs.... the most toxic communities out there... are now bigger than MMOs.... clear indication that just like in real life YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE OF ALL KINDS... not living in some censored shell.

[cappy]

I really don't understand SE's stance. We already have a form of DPS check in raid bosses that are really very tightly tuned. If ther were more room for error, then I could understand their argument, but alas.

A personal dps check would be ideal if they wanted to avoid any major dps-shaming. A special dummy, or anything to help players pin down their routine and understand how effective they are and can improve.