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    Problem solved.
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    Don't ask, don't tell?

    Parsers are very useful at times, but why is there a need to call people out on it. Just simply leaving a pt is usually the best course...and several times less drama.

    official tool practically invites drama on something more or less intangible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukurumei View Post

    official tool practically invites drama on something more or less intangible.
    I'll disagree on this. If someone uses an unofficial parser to tell someone else their dps is "low", that person can counter them saying "my in game parser says i'm at Y dps yet you claim I'm doing X dps. How can you know? Kick me and you'll reported for harassment."

    Regardless, parsers are already in use....and there are groups that expect dps classes to perform to a minimum treshold (especially for Coil 2). Players will always try to find a way to segregate perceived "bad dps" from good ones be it a parser (offical parser or not), gear level, achievements, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mythicrose View Post
    I'll disagree on this. If someone uses an unofficial parser to tell someone else their dps is "low", that person can counter them saying "my in game parser says i'm at Y dps yet you claim I'm doing X dps. How can you know? Kick me and you'll reported for harassment."
    Wouldn't they report you report them for the same harrassment since in that example you both participated in parsing? Double KO on that, A-Duh there?

    Both keep quiet, both walk away.

    If it was official then SE has to officially support it, and the GM has to officially varify the said support of it, leading to more GMs needed and more policy and more drama.

    No matter how you spin it. Don't ask, Don't tell, makes people walk away without drama. There that wasn't so hard. Stop trying to justify harassment.

    There seems to be this lack of maturity to "simply walking away" for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukurumei View Post
    Wouldn't they report you report them for the same harrassment since in that example you both participated in parsing? Double KO on that, A-Duh there?

    Both keep quiet, both walk away.

    If it was official then SE has to officially support it, and the GM has to officially varify the said support of it, leading to more GMs needed and more policy and more drama.

    No matter how you spin it. Don't ask, Don't tell, makes people walk away without drama. There that wasn't so hard. Stop trying to justify harassment.
    Nothing can stop the "illegal" parser from reporting me. However, as they can't "know" what the official in-game parser said, no action would be taken against me in the example. No matter how you spin it, parsers are already here. People already judge based off them. An in-game parser will at least take away some of the power from the "must have XX dps" groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukurumei View Post
    Parsers are very useful at times, but why is there a need to call people out on it. Just simply leaving a pt is usually the best course...and several times less drama.
    I should leave an otherwise promising party because one DD can't do his job? Why not replace *him* and keep the rest of the party?

    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    If people are having trouble breaking fast conflags at 15% then either too many people are getting hit by fireballs or dps is just slow at noticing them and switching targets.
    Pretty much. Of course, a parser can tell you who isn't pulling their weight, but it's unlikely Gormogon will care about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    I should leave an otherwise promising party because one DD can't do his job? Why not replace *him* and keep the rest of the party?
    That's the definition of harassment and elitism. You.DO.realize.that. what you said exactly why SE won't do it. Completely proving the point of the argument by your very response.

    There are many many methods including breaking pt and reforming without said person. All you proved is that, is that "me first" whining that puts PFs on drama, and singling out a person to public scrutiny.

    If one person isn't upto the job the PF or DF naturally breaks up. That's how it works. Not how you envision your ways to be.

    Thats.quite.damning
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukurumei View Post
    That's the definition of harassment and elitism. You.DO.realize.that. what you said exactly why SE won't do it. Completely proving the point of the argument by your very response.

    There are many many methods including breaking pt and reforming without said person. All you proved is that, is that "me first" whining that puts PFs on drama, and singling out a person to public scrutiny.

    If one person isn't upto the job the PF or DF naturally breaks up. That's how it works. Not how you envision your ways to be.

    Thats.quite.damning
    That's not harassment. That's removing an incompetent member.

    If you get a healer who can't heal or a tank who can't survive, what is your recommended course of action?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raenryong View Post
    That's not harassment. That's removing an incompetent member.

    If you get a healer who can't heal or a tank who can't survive, what is your recommended course of action?
    If I had to guess, keep the name of the 6 other competent members, fully disband the party, and reform by re-inviting those 6, then looking for another member (although if you are on PF, I don't know how you will attempt to hide from this person you were attempting to boot).

    Basically, a soft kick. A roundabout way to kicking someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukurumei View Post
    That's the definition of harassment and elitism.
    No it isn't. But your response is the definition of exaggerating.
    You can take an inexperienced/poor performer, offer him help and if he's willing to learn, nearly instantly and vastly improve your entire group performance.
    If he isn't willing to pull his weight, then why should the entire group suffer as a result? This would be the definition of harassment and no group should have to put up with it.
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