DPS Tool

[Raenryong]

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You ignore anything said, but regardless: I will tell you why it is a beneficial tool to a party. It is a beneficial tool to a party so that seven people do not suffer for one. Six do not suffer for two, etc. It is a beneficial tool because any aspect of the fight can be monitored - DPS, HPS, cooldown usage, buff uptimes... etc.

Nobody has ever claimed DPS is all that matters. It is just important. You are the one who keeps turning it into a tangent about how DPS isn't the only thing, while nobody has claimed otherwise...

[Gormogon]

You ignore anything said.

I do not. I take it into consideration yet you are ignoring what I've stated already. As a group regardless of what percentage of damage the 4-6 dps pull individually in a full party those 4-6 in actuality just need to meet a threshold of damage as a group. If someone's dps gets penalized because the boss has a mechanic that causes snare, locks, you need to move out of, it teleports, and etc etc then it becomes unjustified to harass them because they weren't number 1 in damage.

There's way to buff a players DPS. Food, pots, buffs, other classes debuff. The only thing that matters is that the players have a sound rotation not that they can max burst numbers on the DPS meters and be #1 in them.

Which is something your argument is not bringing up. It's forcibly neglecting and you're already saying it affects the party.

So in Titan Extreme if the best DPS player in your group keeps getting jailed and he drops and you wipe, then what? Are you gonna criticize him because his dps was horrible because he was constantly jailed? Kick him?
How about in T5 with conflags, T6 with devour, honey, and chains, T7, T8, T9? How about if they died and got res'd and they now have a debuff for 1m?

You can continue telling me that you aren't gonna use it to not harass players and that it's a beneficial tool, yet when constantly bring it up this argument "seven people do not suffer for one" no matter how you spin it we know what that already leads too.

[Pooky_Pasha]

So in Titan Extreme if the best DPS player in your group keeps getting jailed and he drops and you wipe, then what? Are you gonna criticize him because his dps was horrible because he was constantly jailed? Kick him?
How about in T5 with conflags, T6 with devour, honey, and chains, T7, T8, T9? How about if they died and got res'd and they now have a debuff for 1m?

If your group dps is such that the high-end dps getting picked on causes a wipe, the other dps need to pick up their game-play. This is where parsers come in, as you can see where the person is lacking and correct it. Like if a BRD is constantly using more Straight Shots than Heavy Shots, which I've seen before. Fix that issue, the individual and group will perform better and more effectively.

You can continue telling me that you aren't gonna use it to not harass players and that it's a beneficial tool, yet when constantly bring it up this argument "seven people do not suffer for one" no matter how you spin it we know what that already leads too.

Again with the same baseless assumptions based on "common sense." My common sense says you're wrong, but it would be a terrible argument on my part because it has no merit. And if the other seven people are being held back that much by one person, that person should be expected to improve so the group isn't being held back, or get replaced.

The only thing that matters is that the players have a sound rotation not that they can max burst numbers on the DPS meters and be #1 in them.

I'll just leave T5 Conflags as a counterargument. Even with 15% echo buff, there are many groups that still can't break fast conflags.

[Raenryong]

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If your dps is really good, you won't be affected much by getting jailed etc. What you think happens is that anyone who isn't top DPS or thereabouts gets kicked - in reality, you only get kicked if you're vastly underperforming. Being jailed won't cause that.

Your ideas of what occurs with parser use and what actually happens are vastly different. You assume this worst case scenario where everyone who isn't completely flawless (ignoring mechanics) gets kicked, when this is not the case.

Also, if you keep dying due to avoidable mechanics, you are not a very good DPS regardless of your raw output. A parser lets you check the cause of death too!

[Felis]

DPS check come ingame in fom of solo content. Was already said in the live letter.
You don't cleared the content = your damage was not good enough

But a personal DPS check would also ok, I think. Something only you can see, maybe also something that give grades after a boss battle (1 star = very bad, 5 stars = very good)

Example:

[dcdistro]

don't want it creates elitist BS .... you need X amount of dps or this job or you can't come to my party ... nope sorry its garbage... and in the live letter Yosi said this and they won't be implemented!!! /cheer

[Atreides]

don't want it creates elitist BS .... you need X amount of dps or this job or you can't come to my party ... nope sorry its garbage... and in the live letter Yosi said this and they won't be implemented!!! /cheer

Hate to break it for you but people do that even now whether it's okay or not, you have no proof that they have used a parser, they can come up with anything really.
Parser is not allowed but aslong as people stay quiet about using it themselves there is no harm.
So currently console players are the only ones affeced as they can't run a parser even if they want to.

[Gnova]

don't want it creates elitist BS .... you need X amount of dps or this job or you can't come to my party ... nope sorry its garbage... and in the live letter Yosi said this and they won't be implemented!!! /cheer

Yeah it is much more fair to exclude people based on their iLevel even thoughh the person at iLevel 65 may put out more DPS than another at ilevel 80.
I guess you are what you wear, not how well you do your job.

[Xatsh]

SE needs to add a parser to the game or make them legal to use.

Either that or they need to stop making DPS checks on everything. Aka remove the rage timers / mob will kill you in X sec mechanics completely.

Almost every fight has dps checks currently in the game and no one "Legally" can see the damage output. Currently in game you have situations where you have 1 blm doing potentially 340dps and another doing 170dps in equal gear.... I understand how it could be used negatively, but people need to be able to see dmg output in a game that demands X dmg to win.

Right now all SE is doing is forcing many endgame players to risk their account by using now Illegal 3rd party tools to beat the hardest parts of endgame.