DPS Tool

[Ikeda]

This FF14 community is literally the only one that i have seen that wants less from their developers by not wanting addon support or voip in a subscription base MMO.

I've seen plenty of other mmos I've tried joining that had people shooting down the idea of adding parsers because of the sort of trouble it causes. Who were then constantly insulted by the very people they were talking about as "bads" or "people who have something to hide" among other more vulgar things which just further proved their point about the trouble of parsers. Just face the facts already. You will NEVER get support for parsers from SE as long as the loud elitist pricks that abuse them continue to cause that negative stigma against parsers. They've already shown their stance about trying to avoid as much elitist drama as possible by disabling whispers in dungeons and giving 30 minute dungeon lock outs for rage quitters.

[Assirra]

Like I've said before I'd rather not raid at all if this is how the community is gonna be in regards to raiding especially as they try and make it more difficult. This is what broke WoW by the end of its second expansion and 2 major patches in it is already breaking the community in FFXIV ARR.

I prefer fun over stress regardless of wipes and loot.

That is nice and you can do it with a group of the same minded people.
Why does it have to be banned for everyone just because you play the way you do? Does only your way of playing counts?

Let's say they will add in a tool that lets you judge all the stats, so you get removed because you didn't do enough dps. That is exactly bad why? The chances of it happening in DF are very low and if you join a party you agree to play by their rules.
Join a party without a dps requirement if you don't want people to judge your dps. I am sure you will find enough people to do so.

[Gormogon]

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For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't. What percentage of the population of players do you think down coil within the first second and third week of its release? Those people might not receive the negative backlash from the toxic players yet with a big amount of players that aren't "playing correctly" if it's a standard those toxic players will find it justified to vent their frustration and anger on the rest. Since they will use DF they will use PF and they will not seclude themselves to special little groups where they group up with each other to yell at each other.

As for your second question it answers itself.

[Assirra]

For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't. What percentage of the population of players do you think down coil within the first second and third week of its release? Those people might not receive the negative backlash from the toxic players yet with a big amount of players that aren't "playing correctly" if it's a standard those toxic players will find it justified to vent their frustration and anger on the rest. Since they will use DF they will use PF and they will not seclude themselves to special little groups where they group up with each other to yell at each other.

As for your second question it answers itself.

Yes i answered myself, and i gave you a way so we are both happy, not only you. And i am still waiting for those so called "wrong purposes" other then to say "your deeps suck". Info is GOOD. I really don't understand this whole concept where hiding stuff is considered a good thing.
Using it in DF is pointless since you can't kick and just ignore a loud mouth anyway. But no, you simply don't want to do that and now the people that want to actually step up their game have to use illigal means to see what they can improve. Some logic going on here.

these tools are getting daily used in wow and in a thing called LFR which is the biggest cesspool imaginable you barely see people flipping out unless someone is actually barely doing anything.

I say you are vastly overrating the harm people will with it.

[Gnova]

People need practice to get better. I agree that would require a call out or two, but what happens if people see you perform badly once and they decide they'll just blacklist you? It's no longer a fun game.

I'd much rather be blacklisted for quantified poor performance over someone blacklisting me because they think I had bad performance.

[Gormogon]

I really don't understand this whole concept

Then do the following.
Make an alt on a difference server and play during your downtime. Play bad on purpose when you notice that there's a jerk in the group and find out first how it feels to be on the receiving end of the stick. Don't better your DPS, keep it to yourself and tell me that it is magically a good experience.

Also make the effort to play more in DF and notice these things more and instead of siding with those jerks side with the ones trying to down the content.

[Rankina]

Like I've said before I'd rather not raid at all if this is how the community is gonna be in regards to raiding especially as they try and make it more difficult. This is what broke WoW by the end of its second expansion and 2 major patches in it is already breaking the community in FFXIV ARR.

I prefer fun over stress regardless of wipes and loot.

That's stupid and incredibly selfish. 'OH I'D RATHER NOT RAID BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE MEAN TO ME BECAUSE MY DPS MUST BE LOW BUT INSTEAD OF FIXING IT I'M GOING TO GO WHINE ON THE FORUMS!" What in gods name is so bad with adding a DPS meter for PERSONAL use or adding a DPS meter for Coil or even PF groups? Is there something bad with that? Oh, is it because I'm SUPPOSED to play with someone who can barely get about 200 DPS in Turn 8 or something? No thanks. And PF?I'm supposed to wipe 50 billion times to DPS checks, or wipe to Titan EX because people can't dodge, or wipe to Ifrit EX because people can't do nails, or the healers don't know the fight, or in Twintania, I'm supposed to wipe 50 billion times to Conflags/Divebombs/Twisters/Dreadknights? Clearly, THAT'S how you want this game to be played. But hey, why stop there, LET'S LOWER THE DIFFICULTY OF COIL BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE STRESS BECAUSE IT TAKES MORE THAN 30 MINUTES FOR A FIGHT.

As to "people being mean" GET OVER IT AND GET BETTER. I've stopped hosting learning parties because of this crap. Before I'd tell people their DPS was too low to pass A, I'd check what skills they'd use and offer them tips. I'd see what skills the healers used, I'd check the tanks cool downs used, but you know what? Because of people LIKE YOU WHINING ABOUT IT, I had to stop because I can't 'legally' use my parser anymore. So all those people who were learning? Screwed because of people like you. You claim that it's really because of elitists abusing it? SHOW ME. I've been active in PF quite a bit, joining adorable nublet learning parties, DFing Turn 1-4, Levi EX, Titan EX, Ifrit EX, etc, etc, and I've never seen it ONCE.

Not to mention, parsers STILL actively help you people in the new fights. How do you think we know the EXACT ACCURACY CAPS for Coil now? How do you think we know the required DPS from 5 players in Turn 8? BECAUSE THESE THINGS HELP US DO THAT. If you can't figure out how to play your job (Which is a BLACK MAGE FOR GODS SAKE, Fire 3 fire fire fire OH LOOK FIRESTARTER), then maybe you should look at a game like Hello Kitty Online.

2 major patches in it is already breaking the community in FFXIV ARR.

No, people like you broke the game.

[Viridiana]

For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't.

And I'm sure you have hard numbers for that. . .

[Gnova]

Then do the following.
Make an alt on a difference server and play during your downtime. Play bad on purpose when you notice that there's a jerk in the group and find out first how it feels to be on the receiving end of the stick. Don't better your DPS, keep it to yourself and tell me that it is magically a good experience.

Also make the effort to play more in DF and notice these things more and instead of siding with those jerks side with the ones trying to down the content.

So you are saying play bad and not take advise then be hurt when people get upset with you or vote kick you?
I would say that the jerk in this scenario is the bad player not the person getting frustrated.

[Gormogon]

So you are saying play bad and not take advise then be hurt when people get upset with you or vote kick you?
I would say that the jerk in this scenario is the bad player not the person getting frustrated.

I never said don't listen to the person giving advice nicely even if it came from a jerk.