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  1. #51
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    Xatsh's Avatar
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    Xatsh Vei
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I think mnks need to start complaining thier AOE dmg cannot compare to double or triple flares.

    MNK = GIMP needs major aoe buff NOAW!!!!



    The mentality that all jobs need to be equal at everything is laughable. Currently the only job that can outdmg a good blm is a good a mnk. This patch it going to make blm gods more or less. If anything blm needed an aoe nerf not single target buff.
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  2. #52
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    Raenryong's Avatar
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    Serefina Solfyre
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucke View Post
    BLM can help groups plow through trash very quickly. That's an advantage for having a BLM in the party. They're dmg is lower vs bosses (I guess because they have to move from AoEs instead of timing their spells right) which puts them at a disadvantage. I dunno, seems balanced to me. You can take a MNK instead of a BLM. MNKs might make the party move slower through trash because there are no AoEs, but they make up for that disadvantage at the bosses because that's where they shine. No job should shine at EVERY POSSIBLE situation.

    BLM speeds the party through trash, but has slower boss kills.
    Single target jobs suffer from slow trash kills but wreck bosses.

    What's not balanced?
    MNK has AoE, average MNK is just not good enough to use it properly.

    Trash is irrelevant. Boss performance is what is important and what should be balanced around, and BLM currently suffers from performance issues in a lot of top-end fights.
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  3. #53
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    Jim_Berry's Avatar
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    Jim Berry
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    Malboro
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Atreides View Post
    The best approach would be to adjust AoE so other DPS are on par and buff their single target DPS accordingly. Everyone would be happy.
    I wonder if they give BRD a 10% damage increase for using certain songs instead of reducing by 20% would make BRDs sing situationally. I see argument and a competition happened where a BRD and BLM fought for high damage. The BRD didn't cast Requiem nor Ballad to keep from giving the BLM the buff and so he wouldn't get the 20% penalty.

    Many will say that a BRD who can't push extremely high numbers shouldn't be a BRD. One guy said,
    "If you can't push 360 while using Ballad or Paeon, you should become a healer."

    Personally, I'll NEVER neglect what I'm in a party for, and I'm not going to strain myself meeting your demands.
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  4. #54
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    ArashiDaigon's Avatar
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    Arashi Daigon
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    Goblin
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    How do players know that BLM's are lowest DPS single target compared to others? Aren't the programs that read these supposedly against the TOS thus punishable? So I'm curious as to where people are getting this data, and what they are comparing it to?

    I've seen 3 different DRGs using the same gear, attributes the same placement, same food, same potions, and somehow.... they aren't doing the same damage. Different Tanks using the same gear, same food, same potions, yet have issues holding hate. Healers, same gear, same food, same potions, yet run out of MP faster/can't heal.

    So, because Yoshi said they are buffing a bit, then this definitely confirms that BLMs are terrible single targets? I love .... logic?
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  5. #55
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    jars's Avatar
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    Juni Esura
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    Sargatanas
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    if blms need buffs then how come so many parties have a slot for only blm, not blm/smn :\
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  6. #56
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    Jim Berry
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    Malboro
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsukai123 View Post
    Right. This happened to an entire class in FFXI with Ninjas. When they were originally implemented, Ninjas were supposed to be a kind psuedo-puller/DPS with an excellent ability to avoid damage. Players took hold of the idea of being good at avoiding damage, and turned it into a tank by throwing throwing Warrior onto it as a subjob. Square Enix saw this, and instead of nerfing/buffing it for what they had originally implemented the job for, they went with what the playerbase was using it as and started giving it tanking abilities and gear with added enmity generation in future patches.

    Agreed!

    Heck, in FFXIV, we're using Titan-Egi to tank/hold King Mog in Thornmarch Extreme.

    This game is getting crazy. Everything from solo-tanking T5 to high iLv requirements. Did we forget that we never went by iLv as it was hidden?
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  7. #57
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    SDaemon's Avatar
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    Koala Shibito
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by jars View Post
    if blms need buffs then how come so many parties have a slot for only blm, not blm/smn :\
    what are these parties for?
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  8. #58
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    Jim Berry
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    Malboro
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    Quote Originally Posted by jars View Post
    if blms need buffs then how come so many parties have a slot for only blm, not blm/smn :\
    Brayflox HM speedrun;
    People want WAR, SCH, BLM, BLM specifically from what I seen. So yeah, I agree with you.
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  9. #59
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    Juni Esura
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    Sargatanas
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    not just brayflox, coil too.
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  10. #60
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    Sileas Goode
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Culinarian Lv 51
    If a class joins and fills a slot and then leaves/gets kicked out, the slot will be empty again but the class required will be locked to that class (bug/oversight?) even if that slot was previously all classes. So it's possible that a blm tried to join and got kicked out lol.

    Unless you're talking about t4 then I guess blm would be great there but there's only 2 aoe heavy phase out 6 and the aoe part isnt even that important, not even before echo. Monks can fall behind on these 2 aoe phases and shoot straight back up if he knows what he's doing and never drop a stack.
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