Limit Break Question.

[Whiteroom]

Hi all,
Just have what I hope is a quick question about limit breaks. I'll start by saying that I am new to this game.

I'm currently leveling as THM and used the LB on the last boss in Toto-Rak. A couple of the other players informed me after (politely, but without reason) that when there is a melee dps and a caster dps, the melee should always use LB. They did let me know that apparently this causes rage mode among some players.

I was wondering a couple of things:

Is this true?

Why?

A quick search told me that Caster is AOE and Melee is single target, which would only mean the number of enemies effects who should cast it. It also said that the damage dealt is based off of the total parties weapon damage, not the individual. That suggests only that the weakest damager should cast it to maximize party dps...

Thanks for any advice.

[ForteXX]

Its because of the Potency of the Limit Break as well (which affects the damage the same way as normal attacks, but uses the parties damage rather than the individuals damage)

Caster: 1400/3000/5400 (AoE)

Melee: 2300/5000/9000

So when an LB is used (especially on a boss), the Melee LB will do a lot more damage than the Caster's LB would.

[Whiteroom]

Its because of the Potency of the Limit Break as well (which affects the damage the same way as normal attacks, but uses the parties damage rather than the individuals damage)

Caster: 1400/3000/5400 (AoE)

Melee: 2300/5000/9000

So when an LB is used (especially on a boss), the Melee LB will do a lot more damage than the Caster's LB would.

Thanks for the response!
A question though, are there many times when a AOE LB is useful? Any last boss fights? I really only started using it because if its not communicated, it doesn't seem to get used in lower level dungeons. Then you do use it, and hear something like what I posted. Plus using it makes me smile a little each time...

[Alice_89th]

Thanks for the response!
A question though, are there many times when a AOE LB is useful? Any last boss fights? I really only started using it because if its not communicated, it doesn't seem to get used in lower level dungeons. Then you do use it, and hear something like what I posted. Plus using it makes me smile a little each time...

- Haukke Manor: to get rid of the Handmaidens asap (this can save you quite some chaos)
- Aurum Vale: in the final bossfight to kill the morbol pods before they spawn.
- Wanderers Palace: to kill the adds on the slime fight. Not really needed anymore due to people being overpowered though.
- Ifrit HM: LB3 to kill all the nails
- Garuda HM: using the LB on the 2nd or 3rd set of adds is a valid choice, although these days people seem to prefer melee LB on Garuda.
- Titan EX: to kill the adds asap
- Leviathan EX: LB3 on the second set of bubbles (aimed dead center to hit them all)
- Binding Coil Turn 5: to kill the snakes before cracking down on Asclepius
- And anytime there are no melee dps in the group and you need a damage LB

Ifrit Hm for sure is more of a must to have blm lb the nail phase, as 3 bars can wipe all of them or close to it and melee lb would be well, pointless.

This is, and always has been, very possible without a caster.
All dps (and healers if possible) must focus down one nail at a time, then LB the last.
Depending on how far your gauge was charged at the start of the phase you can LB the first, focus the second and third, and LB the last one, as the nails charge the gauge quite a bit.

But caster LB is definitely easier
Also, why no SMN love? I can AoE LB too!

[Bixillarla]

Caster LB is a aoe attack which is less damage then a melee LB attack.

[ForteXX]

The only one I can think of currently is Ifrit Hard. Due to it having multiple nails during that fight, you want a Caster to do an LB on as many of them as they can.

[Whiteroom]

The only one I can think of currently is Ifrit Hard. Due to it having multiple nails during that fight, you want a Caster to do an LB on as many of them as they can.

Well damn, that sucks. Haven't gotten near that level yet, so I don't know. Guess the nails spawn multiple at once, so you just fit as many in the AOE as possible?

To bad the LBs are so of balance, because they are fun to watch.

[Liger]

The only one I can think of currently is Ifrit Hard. Due to it having multiple nails during that fight, you want a Caster to do an LB on as many of them as they can.

there is alos Levi EX when you want to destroy the second set of orbs"this is optional, but is commonly used"
T5 when LB all snakes.
you can always use it if you are the only dps with a damaging LB in the party.
They did mention that they will implement new changes to LB in the future so the use of LB might change.

[moudoka]

Yeah, there are six nails I believe in Ifrit HM. In the lower-level dungeons it really shouldn't matter a whole lot as to who LBs. But, as others have stated, a melee DPS using a LB on a single boss is preferred, especially at higher levels. I like BLM/ARC for Haukke Manor, where you can group the three adds with the boss, and use the AOE LB.

[subteraneanbird]

Garuda HM is another example of a time when Caster LB can be useful.

Also note that if there are no melee in the party Caster LB is still better than teank or Healer LBs (and Bards get healer) so you're second in line.