When are you going to make crafters and gatherers into real classes, for real?

[Dreamer]

I don't understand this mindset that if it doesn't involve combat, it isn't fun. DoH/DoL don't have to be involved in combat in order for them to be real classes. Improve the crafting and gathering systems, make them more dynamic, and add more leves, quests, and other content.

[Gun_Anam]

SE should take these classes OFF the character creation screen

I agree with this part of the OP. Crafters and gatherers should not be able to compete on the same stage as the DoW/DoM. Get the crafter civilians back in the cities and keep them there!

[Shneibel]

I don't understand this mindset that if it doesn't involve combat, it isn't fun. DoH/DoL don't have to be involved in combat in order for them to be real classes. Improve the crafting and gathering systems, make them more dynamic, and add more leves, quests, and other content.

and better reward as well, as the reward for DoL and DoH is to low in gil

[Leenk]

It seems like the real issue here is that there isnt a seperate line of "main scenario quests" for the DOH/DOL crowd like there is for the DOW/DOMs.
The simplest fix here is to include a seperate, non-combative, story arc for them or remove the from the opening options so that it is readily appearant from the start that the DOH/DOL classes are just an extra option.

As it stands, whether you really love the DOH/DOL classes or not, it's obvious that they are a secondary option and you NEED to play a DOW/DOM class to truly experience this game

[Sephr]

Ultimately, I think people just need to accept the fact that they'll never be on a par with combat classes, nor should they be. I'd like some non-combat quest chains in the cities concerning politics and that, but I don't think I should be shut out of them for not having a highly ranked crafting class, either.

[Eekiki]

QQ

GB2 Animal Crossing if all you wanna do is chop down virtual trees.

[Rinsui]

DoH and DoL classes are not receiving any love in these update notes.

Well, you should take the hint...
I thought the conclusion is obvious?

[Onidemon]

So, I see a lot of changes planned, but as usual everything is focused on DoW/DoM. What about gatherers and crafters? Especially gatherers.

I mean Gatherers have two levequests. That is it. The name of the HQ item and the locations change based on your camp - but that is all. TWO LEVES. No variety whatsoever.


Not only that but it is impossible to get a full set of 8 leves at your level during a reset. That's garbage. We should be able to get at least 4 at each camp, so we have some choice in them and if we want to, only have to travel between two cities.

DoH and DoL classes are not receiving any love in these update notes. SE should take these classes OFF the character creation screen if they don't want to put any work into making them fun.

Never.

/10char

[Rinsui]

Agreed. They should vanish from the character creation screen.

[Delsus]

Oh well if that is the case I guess I won't be paying any subs for this game.

/sigh Why do we let these trolls in, this is not game designed to see how much you can gather, its about working together so DoH go to DoL for mats and in turn the DoH make gear and weapons for DoW/M.

Although the community rarely talks the game is designed around this thorey.

Sounds like you want to go to dungeons on miner and throw all your ores at the mobs.