Tanks that don't tank

[Gnova]

While leveling up alt jobs using leveling dungeons I have noticed that a fair percentage of the low level tanks that end up in the story dungeons have no idea how, or desire to, tank.

If new to MMOs they look at the classes in character creation and want to play a melee character that wields a sword or a big axe. I don't think they actually understand that they are not just DPS in heavy armor.

They happily play the gladiator or maurader class solo and it feels like a melee DPS to them. They get to the point in the main story where they need to do a group dungeon and suddenly people are harping on them about keeping agro, spamming flash, etc...

I'm at the point now where if every pull is an adventure and friendly advise about agro tools is gong unheeded I just quit the instance. Better that than stick around for the drama.

In the lower content I have completed a few dungeons with me resorting to healer tanking but this really isn't teaching the tank anything and is probably hurting more than helping

Do you think there should be a warning for new players choosing the tank class stating that it is an advanced role and if they don't have MMO experience perhaps they should start out with a different class?
Most MMOs allow you to DPS as a tank class but in FF14 this isn't even an option.

[Nomad-phx]

Most MMOs allow you to DPS as a tank class but in FF14 this isn't even an option.

i agree 100%, especially on higher lvl stuff with warriors. they strap on some dps accessories and think the contribution is noteworthy but its really not lol i think to better handle this se needs to job lock certain accessories like fending strictly for tanks, striking/maiming strictly for melee dps, casting for blm/smm. and so on.

[SeraviEdalborez]

So you'd kill STR offtanks in endgame because newbies can't read?

[Nomad-phx]

damn straight lol im also noticing dps and healers using more and more fending gear to try to up theyre item lvl to get into certain things, thats highly gay strategy imo

[Gnova]

So you'd kill STR offtanks in endgame because newbies can't read?

Did you even bother to read the post?

"Do you think there should be a warning for new players choosing the tank class stating that it is an advanced role and if they don't have MMO experience perhaps they should start out with a different class?
Most MMOs allow you to DPS as a tank class but in FF14 this isn't even an option."

Where in that is a suggestion to change anything?

[Zaero]

(snipped)

Actually, a lot of the quests for classes, and the cutscenes help teach you what your role is all about (unfortunately a lot of players skip these). For GLA, it told me my job was all about tanking. Thing is, if someone wants to roll a tank, they should be able to. Yea, could it use a big bright neon sign of "YOU ARE NOT A DAMAGE DEALER!!"? Absolutely. But, the cutscenes and quests are tooled (IMO) to teach you how to play your class and role).

[SeraviEdalborez]

Did you even bother to read the post?

Context. I wasn't responding to you.

[Gnova]

Context. I wasn't responding to you.

That is what the quote function is for.

[ForteXX]

That is what the quote function is for.

Quote is only needed if you know or think the person youre replying to isnt the post above yours. In the one you first responded to, he was replying to the post directly above him.

See: Me quoting because the post above mine isnt the one Im replying to.

[SeraviEdalborez]

I don't think you understand what I wrote, so I'll go into more detail.

Offtanks in endgame don't get hit by much, so they invest heavily into STR accessories. WAR can also get away with 30 STR allotment. If you restrict STR accs to DRG and MNK only, you take away a strong niche and one of the only methods of customization in those horribly itemized system.