Leviathan FC Progression Thread V4

[InuMomiji]

I would just like to make the point that there is clearly benefits for LS's to be credited. Just like FC's people leave the static for other MMO's etc. Having the kill credited helps us recruit good replacements when needed. There is clearly demand for LS's to be credited and benefits that you just don't seem to recognize. It also shows we are willing to work with people to not force them into a FC (due to invested FC housing etc).

[DreXxiN]

I would just like to make the point that there is clearly benefits for LS's to be credited. Just like FC's people leave the static for other MMO's etc. Having the kill credited helps us recruit good replacements when needed. There is clearly demand for LS's to be credited and benefits that you just don't seem to recognize. It also shows we are willing to work with people to not force them into a FC (due to invested FC housing etc).

Where is the line drawn? Should I also have a "Friends List" progression thread, or a "Black List" progression thread? Or maybe my Weekly Primal Clearing Linkshell should count as well? I mean if that's the case I might as well just bring together the most godly players of Ero-Join and crush everyone on the server and then go back to raiding with our FC's right? This is where things get complicated.

It's like multi-guilding and only receiving the benefits. What's to stop everyone from just forming these all-star squads and then just returning to their FC? In any competition including sports, you can't take place in two teams and just glorify yourself conveniently based on which of those two was strongest. It's the same case with guilds and linkshells. And unfortunately, this wouldn't be as much of an issue if the linkshells that did clear T9 weren't comprised with people who are part of free companies who have cleared.

[Berengaria]

I would just like to make the point that there is clearly benefits for LS's to be credited.

More members in a Linkshell is just... more members in a Linkshell. Linkshells in this game are literally chatrooms, not guilds like they used to be.

FCs gain recognition, knowledge of standing compared to other FCs, and increased/better recruitment options. More members in an FC means more FC seals, better benefits, Gil, access to an FC bank, knowledge of when your friends log on and off, and housing - among other things. This also promotes more people to get together and commit to their friends and create an FC.

[Ashenami]

Okay, FC's on progression threads promote invitations and recruitment.

How does posting Linkshells on a progression forum ( and labelling them as so ) discredit your FC or its recruitment?

[Logistical]

I just don't see the point of adding Linkshells on, even considering that the other threads did not allow it either. Linkshells literally gain nothing from being included, while at the same time cluttering up the list and making things harder to read and understand.

Because once gear makes Turn 9 and any progression irrelevant it doesn't cause clutter as is. See the 2.0-2.1 Progression.

They can still get recognition from the world progression thread if that's what they want. Anyone can get some friends together and make a glorified chat room - aka Linkshell.

15k FC that has a house. Over.Glorified.Chatroom. Oh anyone can do that by the way.

FCs gain recognition, knowledge of standing compared to other FCs, and increased/better recruitment options.

LS gains recognition. Knowledge of standing compared to other static groups, and increased/Better recruitment options.

More members in an FC means more FC seals, better benefits

10 Minutes more on Food Buff / 15% of rez timer / etc worthless other buffs beyond that

Gil, access to an FC bank

Oh man! Gil is pretty much worthless at the moment and so easy to gain. FC Bank? Lol please.

knowledge of when your friends log on and off, and housing - among other things.

Housing? Awesome tell me the benefits? Ours was a 59 Million gil dump plus another 30 million in decor materials probably.

This also promotes more people to get together and commit to their friends and create an FC. More members in a Linkshell is just... more members in a Linkshell

So I guess I don't commit to my 8-Man LS. More members in a FC is just....more members in a FC.

[Berengaria]

Okay, FC's on progression threads promote invitations and recruitment.

How does posting Linkshells on a progression forum ( and labelling them as so ) discredit your FC or its recruitment?

It clutters the already long (and growing) list, makes things harder to read, and can confuse potentially new players looking to join FCs. Zero reason to include them since the recognition you want is already on the world progression thread.

[shadowrogue]

lol so serious, do not pass go do not collect $200 everyone i know from this forum is really nice guys and im kind of surprised at the elitism being displayed right now honestly when i get t9 down i just want the weapon dont need the recognition from a forum (im bored so doing some trolololing)

[Berengaria]

15k FC that has a house. Over.Glorified.Chatroom. Oh anyone can do that by the way.

Sure they can, but they would have to leave their own respective FCs as a commitment to collect signatures with their friends. People don't just make FCs for progression credit and then leave them to go back to their old FCs. Then the FC no longer exists and there is zero point to their progression.

Linkshells don't require you to leave anything or do anything other than speak to a npc. You can make them on a whim and leave them on a whim and no one would know the difference.

[DreXxiN]

lol so serious, do not pass go do not collect $200 everyone i know from this forum is really nice guys and im kind of surprised at the elitism being displayed right now honestly when i get t9 down i just want the weapon dont need the recognition from a forum (im bored so doing some trolololing)

Well, it's not really elitism, I'm just trying to find a reason to add linkshells and for those linkshells to combat my points. I'm not doing my job if I just succumb to the biggest circlejerk and make changes on a whim.

No one else was going to continue the progression thread so I stepped up to the plate to fill the shoes. It's a lot of work and I understand that I will receive flame from either party (FC's not favoring linkshells / linkshells feeling left) no matter what decision I made, but really, I just want what seems to make the most sense.

[Ashenami]

That is the only reasoning I've heard, then-- because the list of groups becomes too long and "confusing".

Drexxin, are you up to the task of managing a few more linkshells to your list? You said you've worked in databases quite frequently, so I don't see it being too much more of a task for someone like yourself.