Leviathan FC Progression Thread V4

[DreXxiN]

Did you even read those links? THREE out of the FOUR of those allow LS and Mixed groups. Please address my former statement as well--- "You can accomplish the same thing AND still give Linkshells the recognition they deserve by placing [LS] next to their name. That way, FC's can still use the recognition for their recruitment."

I did read the links, and there's 5. They acknowledge mixed groups but only a couple specify that linkshells are okay and most require FC only or FC tags in the screenshot.

I addressed your second point.

[Ashenami]

So you're saying that you wish to run Leviathan under different standards that are accepted and run by every other Server and the World? What does it matter? Nice to know 2 GM's can come together and entirely make up a Server decision for all of us.

That GM is just personally upset that a linkshell and former AU member (me) beat his second group, and I have read this and heard this personally.


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You can accomplish the same thing AND still give Linkshells the recognition they deserve by placing [LS] next to their name. That way, FC's can still use the recognition for their recruitment.

[Woona]

You can accomplish the same thing AND still give Linkshells the recognition they deserve by placing [LS] next to their name. That way, FC's can still use the recognition for their recruitment.

[Berengaria]

The entire point of the progression threads on levi has always been for FC notoriety purposes to enhance recruitment and commitment to being a part of FCs.

Linkshells gain nothing from progression recognition outside of saying they've done it, which they can still get from the world progression thread, but FCs actually gain benefits that come in the form of members, which turn into seals/gil/housing/etc.

Every single official progression thread on levi, and many other servers, has only included FCs - except for the V3 thread which was an unintentional mistake and against the rules of the previous threads. The first two did not allow LS credit and the 3rd only did as of recently (as an oversight) just before the thread ended.

No one is saying LS's haven't downed the content, obviously they have, and you can still get recognition from the World Progression thread, but that is not the purpose of the Levi threads.

[DreXxiN]

You can accomplish the same thing AND still give Linkshells the recognition they deserve by placing [LS] next to their name. That way, FC's can still use the recognition for their recruitment.

This is actually what I wanted to do, but those who I've talked to wanted me to disregard it completely. As more Linkshell leaders / FC leaders come to talk to me about this and I can get a balanced look at what the majority wants and not just those that have cleared in Linkshells want, I will be editing it accordingly.

In any case, I had to take over this role on a whim because Sevyn is quitting cold turkey, so it's a lot of work and I'm trying to do what's best for all parties and those looking to recruit based on their progression status in Coil. Bear with me.

[Ashenami]

I understand where you are coming from, Drexxin. I do apologize for any sense of hostility you get from me, but I hope you can see where many of us Linkshell players are coming from. I think marking linkshells and FCs wotj tags would be the most logical decision, and hope to hear from others.


Also, after rechecking, only one of those five*** links states FC only. So my statement still stands from earlier.

[DreXxiN]

I understand where you are coming from, Drexxin. I do apologize for any sense of hostility you get from me, but I hope you can see where many of us Linkshell players are coming from. I think marking linkshells and FCs wotj tags would be the most logical decision, and hope to hear from others.


Also, after rechecking, only one of those five*** links states FC only. So my statement still stands from earlier.

I understand where you're coming from, too, but something that many guild leaders have brought up that Beren posted here

Linkshells gain nothing from progression recognition outside of saying they've done it, which they can still get from the world progression thread, but FCs actually gain benefits that come in the form of members, which turn into seals/gil/housing/etc.

...is also something to consider. Again, I agree just specifying [LS] after the linkshell is a possible solution, but I'm waiting to hear more and also waiting for a response from Sevyn.

[Berengaria]

I just don't see the point of adding Linkshells on, even considering that the other threads did not allow it either. Linkshells literally gain nothing from being included, while at the same time cluttering up the list and making things harder to read and understand.

They can still get recognition from the world progression thread if that's what they want. Anyone can get some friends together and make a glorified chat room - aka Linkshell.

FCs gain recognition, knowledge of standing compared to other FCs, and increased/better recruitment options. More members in an FC means more FC seals, better benefits, Gil, access to an FC bank, knowledge of when your friends log on and off, and housing - among other things. This also promotes more people to get together and commit to their friends and create an FC. More members in a Linkshell is just... more members in a Linkshell.

[Logistical]

I just don't see the point of adding Linkshells on, even considering that the other threads did not allow it either. Linkshells literally gain nothing from being included, while at the same time cluttering up the list and making things harder to read and understand.

Because once gear makes Turn 9 and any progression irrelevant it doesn't cause clutter as is. See the 2.0-2.1 Progression.

They can still get recognition from the world progression thread if that's what they want. Anyone can get some friends together and make a glorified chat room - aka Linkshell.

15k FC that has a house. Over.Glorified.Chatroom. Oh anyone can do that by the way.

FCs gain recognition, knowledge of standing compared to other FCs, and increased/better recruitment options.

LS gains recognition. Knowledge of standing compared to other static groups, and increased/Better recruitment options.

More members in an FC means more FC seals, better benefits

10 Minutes more on Food Buff / 15% of rez timer / etc worthless other buffs beyond that

Gil, access to an FC bank

Oh man! Gil is pretty much worthless at the moment and so easy to gain. FC Bank? Lol please.

knowledge of when your friends log on and off, and housing - among other things.

Housing? Awesome tell me the benefits? Ours was a 59 Million gil dump plus another 30 million in decor materials probably.

This also promotes more people to get together and commit to their friends and create an FC. More members in a Linkshell is just... more members in a Linkshell

So I guess I don't commit to my 8-Man LS. More members in a FC is just....more members in a FC.