Put the level on the Soulstone

[Joanna]

You seem like a rude person to kick someone out of a roulette because they aren't good at their role yet not to mention that's a bannable offense. You probably shouldn't do that.

I never sad that I kick people but I have seen it. And then why do they have vote to kick people. And "playing the job" to unlock it! Yay! 4 quests realy makes you know the job. >< Yeah you learn to play your class/job by doing dungeon/dutys and stuff but do you not think that a player that been playing the class/job from lower level know the class/job better then one that get it by leveling a complet diffrent class/job ?

[AmyNeudaiz]

Yes because it takes so much effort to learn how to use 5 whole skills.

[Joanna]

It's not about learning to use the skill it about when to use them. So still I think it would be better for players to level the job and learn it by leveling and not get everything for free, Just do like World of Warcraft do you can now buy a potion that will max your level and you wont even need to touch it to get max level. That's alot of fun and gives the player so mutch experiance about the class/job that he/she plays.

[Ominoussilence]

You seem like a rude person to kick someone out of a roulette because they aren't good at their role yet not to mention that's a bannable offense. You probably shouldn't do that.

Aside from that, no I am not saying anything like in your post. First of all you have to play the job to fully unlock the job. You just don't get your soul stone for free. Second, yes going into duty finder and going as something you don't know how to play well is exactly how you learn how to play. This is how the SMN who is going as SCH for the first time learned how to be a SMN in the first place.

And it isn't rude for the person who has zero idea how to heal to go in to a dungeon and waste 3-7 other people's time? It's entirely possible to have leveled to 50 as smn and go into a dungeon as scholar for the first time and be able to perform your job function. If the person hasn't bothered doing what they need to to be ready for that role it's perfectly acceptable to vote kick them.

[ssppiikkeeyy]

Old School FFXI player been and 1.0 been at start of both games.

I like the system and hate it, but from what i read Amy i never learned to play SCH, to be fair i was a main healer back in XI so i no the idea. but the quest u do never once did i need to learn to heal i just DPS my way threw the quest line. The NPC heal you so u don't need to learn and if you already no how to play SMN from levelling it up then you can easy DPS SCH threw the game like i did. Not Once was i forced to learn SCH. Tho SCH easy to learn any way so i don't see the prob with people learning it.

The system is nice in so many ways and others it ins't i do myself prefer the XI Class system. I was one of the 1.0 Players who voted against this system but still giving it a chance.

[Mishayangg]

Totally agree with Joanna! ♥

[AmyNeudaiz]

If the person hasn't bothered doing what they need to to be ready for that role it's perfectly acceptable to vote kick them.

No, it's not. There is no button for "Playing poorly" when kicking someone. There is "Offline" "AFK" and "Harassment". Being bad does not fit into any of those in DF.

If you were talking about a premade party where one person is making a run impossible, then it is acceptable to leave and remove them from the party but joining a DF to learn a role is not against any guidelines and is how many people learn their roles anyway. How do you expect people to learn different jobs? Leveling? That doesn't teach you much.

[Faydee]

That's sad how we are limited...we don't have influence in creation of our characters...weapons assigned to classes, no skill selection, something like builds doesn't exist here. Lore, atmosphere, music is not all. That's why I'm looking for a new game or go back to Aion.

[Joanna]

I do like they have in FFXI it's an old game but damn that class system is nice. 21 jobs and you can mix them so mutch to creat a job that are unique for special occasions. You could for example take Ranger/Warrior to get a nice boost on dps that have the burst damage or you could go Ranger/Ninja that will give you more kiting abilities and sustain. So you could mix and match the classes how you like to play. You could come as a PLD with two swords that could offtank and still put out some dps if needed. Or PLD/WHM and be a offtank/healer support if there was a heavy healing fight.

[Enkidoh]

That was actually an illusion though - sure in FFXI you could theoretically mix and match a Job with any sub you wish, but realistically, some sub job combinations ended up being absolutely useless as they added nothing to the main Job. This is because despite appearences the sub job combination was less about adding extra abilities and skills to the player's main job, and more about boosting stats and the traits they brought.

Hence, it basically came down to most melees subbing NIN (and later DNC), PLD, DRK and NIN subbing WAR, mages subbing BLM, BLM subbing WHM. Really, the only Job who really had true freedom as to what they subbed was DRG because the sub job choice controlled the wyvern's AI, so it came down to how the player wanted their pet to function as to what sub Job they set.


Freedom of choice in setting character abilities is an illusion because ultimately players will just go with one way of doing things (what is the easiest to play which gives the best return) - it's human nature. All SE have done is accepted this and designed ARR accordingly.