Time limit to re-enter dungeons

[Shika]

I'm reserving judgement on this until we know exactly how this is going to work. We still don't know how bad the drop rate is going to be or whether we have to collect tokens/items inside the dungeon in order to spawn bosses for possible drops etc.

Although my first reaction when I saw there was only a 5 minute timer on re-entering was- "What! You got to be kidding, that's rubbish" I realise that was probably more with my FFXI head on.
I played FFXI for 5 years and in that time of course got used to the fact that a lot of content (Salvage due to Assault points, Dynamis due to the 3 day cool-down, Limbus with the same 2-3 day cool-down; I haven't played since October so can't remember exactly how many days before you could re-enter) was only accessible a couple of times a week. This meant obtaining gear was often a long, hard slog.

Although I enjoyed that at the time, as I did not know anything else (!) and the sense of achievement was pretty great at the end... I thought to myself that after 4 years of doing "endgame" like that I personally don't really want a complete repeat of that. Endgame in FFXI (Dynamis, Einherjar, Salvage, Sky, Sea etc) for me and the LS I was signed up to became like a second job.... I'm too old and busy for that nowadays! ^^

I don't mind some dungeons, areas or bosses being like this of course (if such balancing is seen to be required/necessary). Of course then, as in FFXI, I will accept the fact that the content for these will require more committment, time etc. But, I am sort of glad that the first bits of content being put into the game are open and free to all to do as often as they like. Lets face it, we've spent enough time waiting for something to do other than leves, crafting, a few quests for poor rewards and kill a few NMs.

People that are online a lot are going to spam it of course, the same that "hardcore" Linkshells constantly farmed Sky or Sea or whatever for pop items to spam NM pops in these areas. So they'll get the gear before I do... do I care? Nope. So they will have nothing to do sooner than I will! I will get the gear eventually, and having fun and something interesting to do is personally for me the most valuable thing in an MMO (gear is nice, but if I don't have fun doing the event/requisite for it then why do I want to torture myself when I get home after 8 hours in the office?). Besides, people with this mindset will always end up spending a huge amount of time in order to be the "first" to gain the gear. I don't think anything can really change that.

Again, it could turn out that we need to farm drops (coins, tokens, credits whatever) inside these dungeons before we can even attain gear drops or pop bosses. I just want to try it out and then decide if I think the system is flawed or not.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

I think you have 2 camps here. The first camp are those that are all grown up and don't feel like they need artificial boundaries and restrictions forced on them by the developers. The other camp... well the other camp likely still have a mandated bedtime.

My two cents.

[Bethor]

Ok really had to log in at work to post this =x Couldn't really resist!

First of all.....

In terms of FFXIV it will be always likes this...


[Edit: Is there a way to display those pictures directly? :S]

There will always be the Pro's and Con's for both side, so why are people taking up arguments 3940394 times? :O

Some people think the game is unplayable right now, some think the opposite of course. But it will be always likes this. We all got different opinions, which makes us MORTAL xD

Fighting against each other won't be any good on these forums. The Dev Team is actually counting on the players whose are still playing for feedback and bug reporting. It's certainly pissing me a little bit off, that the game is currently developed for PS3 Release. But on the other hand, that's another customer base which needs to be attracted.

There's still a lot of fixing to do. We have to be patient. I know it's hard. I can't wait to have the same fun in this game I've had in FFXI. But in FFXI there were good times and of course bad times.

Yoshi's Team got a big task to solve. Satisfying the hardcore and the casual gamer at the same time. That only works if one content gives an advantage to the hardcore players and a disadvantage to casual gamers, and vice versa.

I think the hardcore gamers will be probably mad about the simple fact, that casual gamers will "eventually" (we don't know it yet until the game evolves a bit more) get the good loot on an easier way than the hardcore gamers.

I'm not sure if it's wise to give players "better" items/rewards which have plenty time for playing and the other players will always stay a tiny bit behind.

i.e. Hardcore: Weapon with Double Attack
Casual: Weapon with Occ. Attacks 1-2 times

Something down the line like this.... Everyone needs the chance to get the same items. Otherwise people might be getting mad at it. On the other hand there should some accomplishment...
It's a never ending story, I swear. There will always be a back and forth between hardcore and casual. We'll see what Yoshi's team is pulling out to let us have a great time, with either dungeon spamming or w/e xD

Honestly I don't want that SE is turning into a blizzard-like behvaiour. People always moan in the forums there and blizzard "fixes" that within a few weeks. I kinda liked (and sometimes disliked) how the way FFXI was treated. SE always made their "own" thing and never really listened to the players, at least it felt like it.

Yoshi needs to find a way which fits to both player bases, which is hard as hell. Unless he pulls out some general idea how to fix this.. like....

I dunno.. I have no clue how this can be done to satisfy everyone equally. There will always be bad and good decisions. Just wait until SE is adding more stuff and don't play if you dislike it. It's your choice. Not to sound like a fanboy here, I want a great game like you guys, but we have to be patient.

If I would be a comm rep. I'd have closed this thread by now since there won't be an end anytime soon xD

[Linkurrra]

To me this sounds like a good thing. Alot of you are complaining that it is so short? Why?
To me if a person wants to camp out a dungeon to get all the virtual items for their character, more power to them! I don't have the time to camp a dungeon all day long. And if ppl can put forth the time to do so they should be rewarded by getting the items sooner than everybody else!

Personally when I only have 2hrs a weekday to put towards a game I don't want to only be able to play once and call it quits for the day.

This is about a fair of a way to split it.
What I would be more insterested about is will we be able to get in. With only 2 gungeons will there be a limit on the amount of instances that can be ran at one time. Most instances there is to control lag! If you have everybody in the game coming to do the same dungeons, it is unlikely we will be able to get in. :P

I would hope that the figure this out shortly after they launch it, or what would be totally awesome of they add in a queuing system before they launch.

That way you have to go to the physical location to enter the queue, maybe possibly pay to queue. (yes I know other games offer this service for free, but this is FF and SE here. You know how they work) Then once you are in the queue you don't have to wait around to get in to play!

You can go about your business and when your turn is up you get a pop up message that the instance is ready. You got 3mins to respond. If you say yes, you are teleported to the instance with your party members you listed in the queue!
Say you don't respond you are automatically entered in the next available queue. (this repeats 3 times). If you fail to respond 3 times you fall off the queue list altogether and have to go back to be enlisted again.

[Jennestia]

To me this sounds like a good thing. Alot of you are complaining that it is so short? Why?

We know that the people who are happy with this will be complaining they exhausted the content quickly, then comes the "told you so" group as well as the "SE screwed up again" crew.

[Arcell]

We know that the people who are happy with this will be complaining they exhausted the content quickly, then comes the "told you so" group as well as the "SE screwed up again" crew.

I'm happy with the 5 minute timer and I'll be just as happy when/if I get everything I need out of the dungeons. I have lots of other things I still need to do, please don't lump everyone together like that.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

We know that the people who are happy with this will be complaining they exhausted the content quickly, then comes the "told you so" group as well as the "SE screwed up again" crew.

We are usually on the same side of the fence, but this time I disagree with you, though I know you are an intelligent person and definitely not just another troll.

My problem with the arguments for the "Lockout timers make the content last longer" is that we shouldn't need these artificial restrictions to make content last longer. Lockout timers don't create MORE content, they just create the illusion of more.

[Zkieve]

People did not learn from this apparently ,

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...highlight=5min

About time ya all realize were is this boat going.Some people really should move on already , it cant be clearer.

Disclaimer: i Do Not take sides on this discussion simply because i do not give a rarab tail about this, im worried about the quality of the content not re-enter timer.

[AdvancedWind]

One thing I really gotta add is that is pretty funny to see many posters here just jumping to "lol get a life / girlfriend / boyfriend / whatever" when they're out of proper arguments.

[Sagagemini]

One thing I really gotta add is that is pretty funny to see many posters here just jumping to "lol get a life / girlfriend / boyfriend / whatever" when they're out of proper arguments.

Get a life and a girlfriend!

Bom ve-lo por aqui pequeno Ash lol