Archanists want an image of primals...not Digimons

[Ghastly]

Some people are not understanding that lore does not get in the way of them adding an image of the primal that's not 20ft high as the primals are. a 6ft image of the primal is what logically works. Instead what they gave us were balloon toys.

I asked this before but no one seems to answer it
If they gave us the option to have smaller image of the primal would you seriously keep using the egi instead?

By the way, a 6ft image of the primal would not break the lore, I want to repeat this for those who missed it.

I want a summoner that summons primals, not a summoner that summons some colorful elemental. That's all they're summoning, elemental mobs. Think about it, we might as well be summoning those elemental mobs you encounter around the world.

[DukeBurden]

Some people are not understanding that lore does not get in the way of them adding an image of the primal that\\'s not 20ft high as the primals are. a 6ft image of the primal is what logically works. Instead what they gave us were balloon toys.

I asked this before but no one seems to answer it
If they gave us the option to have smaller image of the primal would you seriously keep using the egi instead?

By the way, a 6ft image of the primal would not break the lore, I want to repeat this for those who missed it.

I want a summoner that summons primals, not a summoner that summons some colorful elemental. That\\'s all they\\'re summoning, elemental mobs. Think about it, we might as well be summoning those elemental mobs you encounter around the world.

Ding ding ding! Winner!

[kirottu]

This is the only reason I don't main a summoner. The pets are ridiculous. As others said, lore doesn't stand in the way of implementing full figured primals at a reduced scale. The actual primals are gigantic, so giving us smaller versions of them still fits in with the lore. You can even keep the -egi tagged on them.

If that just isn't an option for whatever ridiculous reason, then come the expansion, create some new lore that allows Summoners to unlock a "higher form" of your egi's that bring them to a full figured primal. I would honestly even prefer this option, as you feel like you are growing in skill and unlocking new powers, etc.

For the love of Summoners, please change this SE. Thanks

[Corfish]

But the summoners don't summon primals, we DO summon elementals. As someone else pointed out, it takes a MASSIVE amount of crystals and the constand praying of entire tribes of people to summon their primals. We are taking a small amount of their essence and giving it a physical form, NOT summoning the primals. In fact, only elemental primals seem to have -egis, lending further creed to the fact that we are summoning elementals, and thus they shouldn't look exactly like their primal forms.

Do I think they should be edited a bit? Maybe. Not a huge fan of Titan and Garuda-egi. But I'm not going to quit the class just because I don't have big primal summons. And lets be honest, that would be REALLY annoying to deal with in a dungeon (even if they were only as big as a Roe or Hyur), which can already get a little obnoxious when you have large amounts of enemies/allies on screen.

[Ghastly]

Anyone ever heard of tab-targetting? FFXIV parties are small compared to other mmorpgs.

[BloodPact]

... I want a summoner that summons primals, not a summoner that summons some colorful elemental. That's all they're summoning, elemental mobs. Think about it, we might as well be summoning those elemental mobs you encounter around the world.

And that's where the problem comes from. What you want is what a Summoner in this game isn't; what you don't want is what the Summoner is. We don't summon primals. THIS NEEDS TO BE PROCESSED BY THE PEOPLE WHO KEEP ASKING FOR IT. It's like all of them mashed the enter key during the Summoner questline and didn't get what Summoner is all about in XIV.

Let me summarize it for you and the rest: A Summoner is a magic-wielding class that was born as a result of the need for the Allagan Empire to fight back against the Meracydians who started summoning the Primals on the verge of the Allagan Empire's invasion of their continent. The Allagans found a way to access the essences of the Primals in the aether and manipulate it in such a way that it made it even possible to manifest a small fraction of their power into the physical world. They called these beings, Egi.

In case you haven't figured it out by now, unlike in XI, which is where a lot of you seem to be coming from, Primals/Avatars are antagonists in this game. In XI you were tested and they would join you in your battle against evil; over here, they're bad news. All of them, even the lesser aggressive ones, like Ramuh and Titan. The forms also make perfect sense. Have you done Pharos Sirius? Have you seen the blobs of corrupted aether just floating around? Well, it's kinda like the same here. You tapped into a source of energy and manifested it and so they made (imo) a perfect balance between something that resembles the original, powerful being, and still retains that abstractness of a concentration of energy, if that makes any sense (it does in my mind, lol XD).

I love my job and think it was very well though, and am much looking forward to the expansion and with it the expansion of my job's story. It's about time we give up on trying to correct something that doesn't need fixing. You might as well start asking for "skins for egi" dlcs. I mean, they went ahead and OKed phantasia for sale...

[Ghastly]

Do you know what an image means? You're grasping at lore to justify bad design. Lore which doesn't contradict the notion that they could summon an image of a primal which will automatically make it not like summoning the primal itself. In essence the same as an egi but instead of looking like balloon toys, they look similar to the primal in smaller scale.

FYI I delinquently read every piece of text in this game. I'm not new to FF. Now I ask you to respect and not assume. You don't me to start calling you fanboy or tool, do you?

[Corfish]

But it's not their image, it's their essence. Imagine you summoned the essence of Hydaelyn. I doubt her -egi would be a giant crystal. It would be something that was of her essence. Something holy most likely. Titan is earth aligned, so his -egi portrays the essence of earth. Same for Ifrit and Garuda. You may not like how they were portrayed, but they probably shouldn't be portrayed strictly as smaller primals either way. It would just look odd, and would conflict with what they are.

[BloodPact]

Do you know what an image means? You're grasping at lore to justify bad design. Lore which doesn't contradict the notion that they could summon an image of a primal which will automatically make it not like summoning the primal itself. In essence the same as an egi but instead of looking like balloon toys, they look similar to the primal in smaller scale.

FYI I delinquently read every piece of text in this game. I'm not new to FF. Now I ask you to respect and not assume. You don't me to start calling you fanboy or tool, do you?

I couldn't care less. So good design would be to scale Primals to 40% original size (maybe make them float) and call it a day, for example? Their models make sense for the reasons I explained above. You reason is: I want it. Instead of wasting your time here you should head over to the thread about the Evenstar Coat and the Miqo'te tails and contribute to get the developers to answer on that. Now THAT is bad design.

[Ghastly]

A compromise is in store. I've proposed the question that if they would offer an image of the primal or an egi which one people would go for. With this in mind what they could do is let us choose which form we want. Those that want the image would go on an extra/separate quest. Those that like the "lore" of egi would keep their egi. Great compromise since the smaller versions of the primals are already created in the game.