Delete auto-learn of skills

[Lexxuk]

No offense but you don't have an argument by saying "the scroll is easy to get off mobs but costs too much on the AH so I want to auto-learn the skill instead!" If it's so easy to get, get it yourself rather than paying that 500k off the AH.

Lets start with Flare/Fire IV, least I think it was that one. To get that scroll you have to travel to Xarc then all the way to the bottom of Castle Z where you have to fight a level 71~73 monster (for a level 50 scroll don't forget) for a 0.8% chance of Flare dropping (I got lucky, 1/1 when I went to farm it) which is impossible for a level 50 mage to actually do solo.

Lets go with.... Water next, Flood. It only drops from 1 normal (non NM) mob, much better odds though up to 2.5% so you only need to kill 50 of them before your spell will drop.

Burst? I got bored after an hour or so of killing pots in Sky and only getting thunder 3 which I already had.

Utsusemi: Ni? If the drop rate was high then the price would be low, correct? Supply would out-strip demand therefore the price would have to reduce to sell otherwise none would sell at a high price.

Tele scrolls? Easy, you quest for them so there is a 100% guaranteed method of obtaining them, same as Utstusemi: Ichi, there is no sense of achievement in that, it's a "run from point A to point B and do stuff" thing.

Asuran Fists? That's it? That's all you have (sword, katana, great katana, dagger for me so far)? And that's the simple easy as pie 300 pointer, try unlocking the weapons from KSNM's that require 500 points..... twice. It's a much bigger achievement than getting a scroll but only in the fact it takes such a long time to do it.

Simple fact is, if you make skills scrollable you're going to end up with low level scrolls that are out of the price range of lower level players, Phalanx, lvl 33 RDM costs 340k, RDM is a basic job (not a job you need to unlock) so would easily be a new players first job up to that level, did you have 340k by the time you were level 33? Scroll of Invisible, 50k, level 25, the list is pretty endless.

People play games for fun, not to spend 5 hours in a dungeon waiting for X mob to pop so they can kill it for a low percentage chance of a basic item to drop, not a rare super uber triple deluxe drop with a cherry on top, a standard basic scroll which is a basic element of their job.

[HappyWappy]

Presumably level 50 is not the end of the road for level caps for this game. I think an easy solution is just in the future and perhaps even now is just to expand on the guildmark system. I have already bought every last ability from the guilds for pretty much all my jobs and already have a 50,000+ surplus for them. They just need to make spells and abilities added in the future based more on this system they already have in place. That will make it so you have to put effort to gain many of your important abilities and still allow noob players to be able to get their bearings for atleast the 1st 20-30 levels with an auto-learn system.

[RodimusPrime]

Use anima and teleport back to town, only to find out that you cannot even afford the ability scroll. Teleport back and continue grinding ... *Just wasted 5 anima*

As much as I like the idea, I think it should be kept to a limited range of abilities, the same way class guilds are made. I also think it should be limited to a personal currency to avoid staggering player prices. The new city factions can obviously introduce something interesting in the future.

[Kinseykinz]

There is a sorta 'best of both worlds' approach. Why not make at least some abilities questable BUT the ability is rare/ex. So no one profits and people still need to complete a step or two to fill out their action bar. I'd like to do quests to learn skills BUT I like learning some just for ranking too. A blend could be a good thing.

Example: I'm a rank 50 CON. One day the rank cap will be raised. I still learn Fire III when I hit the appropriate rank. But then maybe I have to do a 'Save the Elementals Quest' and for saving a fire elemental from impending doom, the Elemental is so thankful he teaches me Flare II. ...It could work hehehe.

[Liham]

I was not a pro of 'lets make ff 14 looks like ff 11', i vote no to AA and i actually love AA especially with the increase of MP.

So when i said i want to delete the auto-learning skills, i didn't mean that to do the exact same thing as ff 11.

I was taking an exemple of FF 11 pleasure to gain skills and scrolls but
Most RPGs and MMORPGS does not have an auto learning system !!!

Deleting the actual system of auto learning does not mean going to the systemof FF 11 !!!!
Take any learning system of a rpg or mmorpg and it will be enough !!!
And there is a lot a solution.

But it is right to remember the staff of ff14 that if thaere are going to put a non auto learning ystemof skills to not do the same {impossible to gauge} {scrolls} {can i have it ?} {Please assist} of FF 11

[Lexxuk]

The thing is, without auto learning of skills there is a natural disadvantage to certain classes, namely mages. Mages are pretty much shafted in FFXI, a melee can go from 1-90 with AH rentals (buying gear on the AH then selling it back later at either a loss, a profit). Mages also need to AH rental BUT they require scrolls which once used cannot be sold, once it's gone, it's gone (and for questable items can only be obtained once).

If you're talking the same system as WoW where you run off to the NPC every so often and buy skills for currency, again mages would be shafted as they generally require a *lot* more skills than a melee, so it would end up being more expensive for mages to level up than for melee which is hideously unfair on mages.

[MattyWS]

Lets start with Flare/Fire IV, least I think it was that one. To get that scroll you have to travel to Xarc then all the way to the bottom of Castle Z where you have to fight a level 71~73 monster (for a level 50 scroll don't forget) for a 0.8% chance of Flare dropping (I got lucky, 1/1 when I went to farm it) which is impossible for a level 50 mage to actually do solo.

Lets go with.... Water next, Flood. It only drops from 1 normal (non NM) mob, much better odds though up to 2.5% so you only need to kill 50 of them before your spell will drop.

Burst? I got bored after an hour or so of killing pots in Sky and only getting thunder 3 which I already had.

Utsusemi: Ni? If the drop rate was high then the price would be low, correct? Supply would out-strip demand therefore the price would have to reduce to sell otherwise none would sell at a high price.

Tele scrolls? Easy, you quest for them so there is a 100% guaranteed method of obtaining them, same as Utstusemi: Ichi, there is no sense of achievement in that, it's a "run from point A to point B and do stuff" thing.

Asuran Fists? That's it? That's all you have (sword, katana, great katana, dagger for me so far)? And that's the simple easy as pie 300 pointer, try unlocking the weapons from KSNM's that require 500 points..... twice. It's a much bigger achievement than getting a scroll but only in the fact it takes such a long time to do it.

Simple fact is, if you make skills scrollable you're going to end up with low level scrolls that are out of the price range of lower level players, Phalanx, lvl 33 RDM costs 340k, RDM is a basic job (not a job you need to unlock) so would easily be a new players first job up to that level, did you have 340k by the time you were level 33? Scroll of Invisible, 50k, level 25, the list is pretty endless.

People play games for fun, not to spend 5 hours in a dungeon waiting for X mob to pop so they can kill it for a low percentage chance of a basic item to drop, not a rare super uber triple deluxe drop with a cherry on top, a standard basic scroll which is a basic element of their job.

I think you misunderstood. The guy I was talking to said that it was easy to get scrolls thus should have no complaint if he thinks that.

About what you said, I agree FFXI was some times a bit ridiculous with the levels of mobs that drop items for lower level people. FFXIV doesn't have to be that way, SE could make the drop rate 10% for a level 40 scroll that drops from a level 40 mob.

Also Asuran fists was my first quested WS and I was using it as an example, I can't sum up all of my FFXI achievements in a single sentence.. I had MNK, PUP, NIN and SAM at 75 (mainly due to the fact I had full usukane and my MNK and PUP wetre the only 75, so I wanted to make the most of it), so yea hand to hand ws wasn't the only ws I had. Heck I even got my staff skill capped and got the quested WS for that just to mess about with on MNK. My point is stop presuming that a single sentence I wrote is the only thing I have done in my life, it's a silly assumption to make.

[Bethor]

Hmm sounds like someone wants to skill up staff to 255 for retribution!

[Lexxuk]

My point is stop presuming that a single sentence I wrote is the only thing I have done in my life, it's a silly assumption to make.

I apologise for making a silly assumption, it was rude on my part to assume that H2H was your only unlocked WS. I'm currently in the middle of unlocking the Ice Staff trial, it does make the WS unlocks look like a walk in the park (kill 150 arcana mobs using ice... kill 250 x mobs using ice.... joy).

[Seiss]

Auto learn = YAY!!!

RMT = BOOOOO!!!!