Tank Swaps how to do it right?

[Kyana]

Gah I'm sorry to say my garuda extreme run was not better

Here's the deal: everything goes more or less smoothly until 2nd phase chirada and spiny spawn at the same time.

I grab chir with brutal swing or overwhelm and scan the area for spiny then as I voke and do a ranged attack for it I lose chirada and now I have no voke nor space to move among twisters...

It seems almost impossible I wonder if I should try to start mting this...

Every fail makes me terrified to attempt again.

If I remember correctly, you don't have to use any attacks on Spiny to keep it on you after Provoke.
It works different than a normal mob. Whoever has it will keep it as long as nobody provokes it.

And you really should try to build up hate combo and hit Chirada with it when she spawns.
If Overpower hits both adds before the MT can use its attack on Suparna, things might get ugly.
Just remember that the adds will spawn after Garuda jumps. Just hit her with Heavy Swing when she lands, then finish the combo on Chirada to get solid hate.

MT Garuda EX is...hectic. At least it was pre echo buff.
Most of the time I ended up tanking Garuda, Suparna and Spiny while I waiting for the OT to grab Suparna.

[Judge_Xero]

Every fail makes me terrified to attempt again.[/QUOTE]

Pre prep your full Butchers combo before Chidra spawns. Hit Garuda while in the bubble before she ports awn when she ports back to center. 3rd hit will be on Chidra. Then Voke and Tomahawk Spiney.

How Spiney works - picks random member that is top 3 or 4 on Garudas enmity list and puts Max Enmity on them. The only way to get it is Voke.

If it\\\\'s a DD with Spiney that\\\\'s fine cause they wont get more enmity after Voke. But if a healer had Spiney they will continue to build enmity on Spiney with each heal after Voke. So the tank has to work a little harder.

[Seif]

I didn't know that spiny pre picks a target. That's why it seems like I already lost it when it spawns. If everyone would run to B when this happens they should be close enough for my tomahawks I think.

I can get chirada with the oteviously mentioned bb finish but that hate is lost while fishing for spiny.
Not to mention the crazy slipstream risk at this point as it won't be my focus anymore and I probably should try to face it away from area B.

There are many things that need to happen perfectly for all this.

[Remn]

I didn't know that spiny pre picks a target. That's why it seems like I already lost it when it spawns. If everyone would run to B when this happens they should be close enough for my tomahawks I think.

I can get chirada with the oteviously mentioned bb finish but that hate is lost while fishing for spiny.
Not to mention the crazy slipstream risk at this point as it won't be my focus anymore and I probably should try to face it away from area B.

There are many things that need to happen perfectly for all this.

Here is how my group use to do it back when it first came out. (IMHO, it a lot more simple)
When sister and Spiny pop, OT grab one of the sister (Chi or Sub) then let the spiny goes to whoever and leave it there.
OT keep an eye on Person w/ spiny and Provoke it of that person when he has 2 stack. <--(at this point OT add should be dead or he should has high enough hate.)
This strat will depend on MT tanking both boss and sister and Healer to SS and Adlu MT when Garuda and sister use WW/Downburst combo.

[SeraviEdalborez]

The spiny spawns with (arbitrary number) 10000 enmity on someone. Usually someone near the top of Garuda's hate list. Provoke is the only way to get it off. If the original target pops cooldowns (or regen-like effects if a healer) it can become more difficult to secure it. This is where Flash can be semi-useful.

[kukurumei]

The spiny spawns with (arbitrary number) 10000 enmity on someone. Usually someone near the top of Garuda's hate list. Provoke is the only way to get it off. If the original target pops cooldowns (or regen-like effects if a healer) it can become more difficult to secure it. This is where Flash can be semi-useful.

Flash is uber useful when you can't target something fast enough, since it's a non target skill. It's especially useful to a warrior that has a cone shape OverPower, and need positioning.

[Osha_Sohma]

I haven't really had to do much tank swapping except on Ultima Hard Mode (haven't won yet, either) but what I do when I'm about to pick up is 1: make sure I'm in Shield Oath if I swapped to Sword Oath to add my pittance of dps. 2: start hitting Fast Blade while waiting on the third stack of the debuff to land, then 3: when the third stack lands, pop Provoke and follow it with the Savage Blade/Rage combo I've got myself set up for. Fast Blade isn't much aggro by itself, so I keep it before 'voke so my first 2 moves after it are high aggro.

Conversely, and this is probably a Bad Thing I need to not do, when I'm handing off to someone (I see them run over to me from the flank) I'll hit Z to put my weapon away and stop my auto attack so they're free and clear to pick up without me stealing it back. This is especially true if I'm better geared (atma weapon, so in DF I usually am.)

[MythToken]

Yes letting the spiney do its thing while you build hate on Chi, is def the way to go.
And really you can have the MT provoke it at 2 stacks, because Chi should be almost dead or already dead, which will leave your provoke open for Sub, if you want to bring her to your side, so melee doesnt have to deal with WW.
Depends on group.

[Seif]

I think I'll just focus on getting chirada down now as soon as possible and then worry about spiny. I mean it's not like it's doing huge dmg to anyone it's targeting anyway right?

Then I should have my voke left because I'm pretty sure chir doesn't need it as long as I keep my bb combos going.

As a side note it's funny how easy coil 1-3 is next to the first extreme for me.

I did coil 1 today and with these tips manged to grab the add.
It always escapes halfway the grid but I managed to pull it back by emergency voke and bs.

[Remn]

the only thing Spiny do is put a stack on ppl, (1 stack every 15 sec ish or so, if I remember it correctly),3 Stack = Huge AoE, otherwise it harmless lol