Tank Swaps how to do it right?

[Synestr]

Also the coil 1 split is confusing because for some reason I can't tell which one I should get. I'm usually ot in c1.

Also I'm war but I have cross class skills up to provoke.

In my experience, the easiest way to grab the new snake as OT is this: When you see the "water" splash off CAD's back he is going to split. After you see that stack on MT, and right when the split happens, flash+AoE move (I am pld so I usually do Flash+Circle of Scorn). Im not positive, but the new snake is usually the second one on the enemy list. SO stack on tank, when you see it pop, the mt should be moving already, pop flash and a AOE move, flash+Tomahawk then settle in. Remember voke only puts you even with highest threat+1. SO using it to grab the split after you have popped a few threat builders isn't beneficial as you have really gained nothing from it. If you were to use it, I see it being more effective after tossing a lot of threat moves at it and it's not budging or if heals get a crit on you and deserves CAD's attention ^.~

For the most part though use that strat, you should get much cleaner splits.

Syn

[Citizen_Thom]

Also the coil 1 split is confusing because for some reason I can't tell which one I should get. I'm usually ot in c1.

Also I'm war but I have cross class skills up to provoke.

I tend to mark the initial snake with a '1'. Makes it easy at the split if I'm the 'first' tank. If I'm second tank? Circle of Scorn and Flash are enough to get the new snake's attention without getting the old snake's attention.

[CrossSleet]

If second tank is an ass even provoke won't work if he still does enmity combo ;p
It's so painfull when you waste provoke just to second tank take aggro again...

[Pizzaparty7]

How a tank swap becomes a clusterf#ck: Tank 1 has tons of threat, tank 2 does not. Tank 2 provokes and follows with a threat move but in the mini gcd between the two, tank 1 smacks target again and stays above the other tank.

If you really want to swap cleanly, stop generation before the swap and sheathe your weapon during the actual swap. After the other tank gets hate, give them a gcd or so to solidify their lead over you.

[Kyana]

How a tank swap becomes a clusterf#ck: Tank 1 has tons of threat, tank 2 does not. Tank 2 provokes and follows with a threat move but in the mini gcd between the two, tank 1 smacks target again and stays above the other tank.

If you really want to swap cleanly, stop generation before the swap and sheathe your weapon during the actual swap. After the other tank gets hate, give them a gcd or so to solidify their lead over you.

If your tank partner isn't terribly undergeared or bad, there is no reason to ever stop auto attack. Just don't use attacks with enmity bonus when you approach a swap.
The provoking tank should save an instant like CoS, Spirits Within, Brutal Swing or Inner Beast to use in addition to hate combo after provoking.

[ShinigamiZero]

Pre-buffer Butcher's block/Rage of harlone -> provoke> butcher's/rage of harlone. lol

[Artair]

At swap time start with 5 stacks of wrath and finishing with Storm's Eye: Unchained > Heavy Swing (Internal Release) > Skull Sunder (Berserk) > Provoke > Butcher's Block (Brutal Swing) > HS > SS > BB > hate sealed.

You don't need unchained, it just helps if you are with a derpy co-tank who may be mid hate combo and oblivious. It lets you build a strong lead over the other tank though so there is no danger of flip flopping hate during the first few seconds.

If you are PLD then FB (FoF)> SB (Provoke) > RoH (Spirits Within) > FB (CoS) > SB > RoH

If you have hate and the OT is about to take it just start your OT rotation (SP/SE combo as WAR or just slow down the combo so you are not landing a RoH right after the provoke if PLD, then switch to sword oath)

[Seif]

I'm not terribly undergeared (i think ilvl 80?)

So after provke I should use either BB ending that combo or brutal swing.
If I inner beast it I wonder if BB can still be completed after hitting that and voke in the middle.

[KimTaeyeon]

[To take over the hate]

For PLD :
Fast Blade -> Savage Blade -> Provoke -> Rage of Halone* -> [Rage of Halone combo]

For WAR :
Heavy Swing -> Skull Sunder -> Provoke -> Butcher Block* -> [Butcher Block combo]

U can also add off-GCD skills (Spirits Within/Steel Cyclone/etc) after the skill I marked with *, while waiting for GCD to start main combo

[When u're the main tank and want to switch to offtank]

Just sheath your weapon (Z)

[Kyana]

So after provke I should use either BB ending that combo or brutal swing.
If I inner beast it I wonder if BB can still be completed after hitting that and voke in the middle.

a. Yes, either SS, BB, BS, IB or TH after provoke. Just never use provoke and then do nothing.
b. Yes, you can use Inner Beast (or any other wrath dependent skill) without interrupting your combos.

What about the suprana grab after chirada in phase 1?

At this point chirada is dead so I can't do the BB combo without going right next to chir&gar to combo the first 2 hits of bb combo hitting voke and then conpleting bb.

Is this enough to start running to SE area while throwing few ranged attacks in on the move?

If you don't have any combo up, use Provoke, then Tomahawk multiple times till Chirada is in position.
This usually works because Garuda does little damage, so healing aggro is not that bad.
The only problem can be hyperactive DDs who can't wait the few seconds and cause wipes.

I do have flash from pld but it often seems useless. Would the snake be good to grab with flash+overwhelm?
I don't understand how stacking on mt in advance helps because in front of snake there are massive attacks going on.

I usually stand right next to cadeus in a way that the tail seipes don't get me but healers wont need to focus on me with the frontal attacks.

Don't use AoE enmity moves if you don't have to tank more than 1 mob, ever. There are always better alternatives for 1 mob.
Flash enmity is a joke compared to a comboed BB or RoH.

And standing on the side of Caduceus is the right thing to do, unless you want to help the MT by triggering the tail attack.
Never stand next to the MT when fighting Caduceus. Not as tank, not as DD, not as healer, nobody except the person tanking it should be in a 180° cone in front of it.
You put more stress on healers and risk a wipe by doing that. And no, the echo buff is no excuse for doing silly stuff.


EDIT: When Caduceus splits, you don't have to be running already.
You have a few seconds before they will combine again.
If I'm OT I like to pull the split to the other side. I think it's easier because the MT healer doesn't have to care about changinng position and DDs can keep dealing full dmg on the original Caduceus.

I usually play PLD but it's roughly the same for WAR.
When you know it will split soon, activate Defiance and keep using Heavy Swing (you can follow with Skull Sunder if your MT got solid hate) and save Inner Beast.
Once Caduceus splits, just select the next target. Not with mouse or in the enmity list. Just press the "next target" key (usually Tab when playing on PC).
You now target the split.
Use Provoke, Skull Sunder or Butcher's Block and Inner Beast, then start running to the other side and throw a few Tomahawks till you are at your new position.
The rest is tank and spank.