We want loot from bosses, not hardened sap.

[ColorOfSakura]

Cool, just ignore the fact that some people may want darklight for glamour that they didn't already have, and not everyone has been playing since release. I have yet to see the healer darklight robe. I do see plenty of hardened sap though woooooo.

This is really a larger symptom of a bigger problem, and that's we need i70, i80, and i90 4 man content with actual progression of gear, myth tomes should not drop in i55 dungeons >.>

I don't know a single person in game that has ever used their Darklight gear for glamour because frankly, it's hideous on almost every class, especially Tanks. Maybe now that it's dyeable it's more worth farming for glamours but honestly everyone I've met in game agrees that almost every Darklight set is ugly as crap. Until it was dyeable, people just replaced the Darklight gear immediately upon getting Myth gear and left it to rot on their retainer. I get that not everyone's been playing for release, but Darklight Gear isn't really much of a stepping stone now. It's been rendered fairly useless except for obtaining a couple pieces to make running things like CT easier, and then you just farm your CT gear.

Honestly, the drop rates for Darklight are better now than they were in 1.0. Darklight dropped approximately 1% of the time in 1.0, and it was all RNG'd which piece would drop. I don't LIKE that Darklight has been rendered all but useless, I feel there should be a slower progression, but that's not how it is currently.

Also, considering that Myth tomes are used to get stuff other than gear (such as high level crafting mats and stuff for your relic weapon - including Animus books), it's a little pointless to suggest that they shouldn't drop in i55 dungeons. Only two of the HM Primals (Titan and Leviathan), the EX Primals and both Coils have above i55 requirements currently, so that'd limit obtaining tomestones to...practically nothing. Maybe in the future when they expand the game more and have more available content.

Wait, so its ok to farm for the mats that drop out of chests but not ok to farm for DL to turn in for seals to buy the same mats?

It's not even just the mats though. It's even things like the manuals (which give a fairly big EXP boost for crafters), or other stuff that the GCs give out for seals. It's entirely likely that it could cause massive swings in the game's economy. At least people farming dungeons for crafting mats, they aren't obtaining a massive amount of them in one quick go. They may get one or two mats per run, as opposed to farming DL gear, getting a massive amount of seals, and then buying large stacks of those mats.

[Fated]

I think the highlight of this topic is the fact that some people don't even know consumables are in chests... really? Do you not have a chat log?

[RhazeCain]

It's very irritating to go through an entire extreme dungeon and get nothing but filtered water, hardened sap, and coke.

Nobody fights bosses for crafting materials. Keep those in side chests instead of hi-potions.

Actually Coke, Peacock Ore, Animal Fat, and Potash I prefer over any gear. Not Filtered Water and Cooking Sherry, that stuff is worthless.

Extreme dungeons were (before 2.28) the top dungeon content. Best way to farm myth. So you have people in there who greatly overgear it already. i70 gear to them is worth exactly 805 GC seals. ...Which mostly are used to buy the same crafting materials at 2500 seals each. Better to just get the crafting drop right away.

i70 gear is good for newer lvl 50s, sure. Even stopgap for an alt until you get around to coil/myth to make it full i90. But i90 is easy enough that making *a fraction* of chests drop more valuable stuff (although not immediately wearable) is a good way to make stale content a little less boring.

[Coth_X]

@colorofsakura I actually like the way the darklight caster robe looks though and I wouldn't mind getting that one too. I've also seen someone that had dyed darklight tank gear and it was glamored. And that is exactly the problem right now, you hit i55 and then you jump to i90. There is so much wrong with this system. They don't have to wait to expand content, this should have been how progression should have been. My ifrit weapon was invalidated in a couple of nights.

It seems like the plan was you hit 50 and farm wp/ak to get i60 to make those places easier while farming phil to get darklight to go into CT and gear i80 in order to tackle coil all the while getting myth to grab a couple of i90 pieces, but then they didn't have CT ready which seemed to blow the whole plan up.

I just want Pharos EX and Stone vigil EX. Not these "HM's" that are only hard for someone that hit 50 an hour ago, and that was their first character.

[Arkine]

I don't know how to read.

What's wrong with you? read the OP again.

It's 14s equivalency to ffxi HQ HNM only dropping crystals after popping in the last window /facepalm

Exactly.

use the saps to make sarngas to make tons of gil....

Irrelivant to the thread. It isn't a gil issue.

Its about getting crafting mats from boss chests instead of gear.

Solution: Move crafting gear to side chests.

[Arkine]

Stuff

While your tap dancing around the subject is masterfully done, I just have to clearify my point yet again.

Ever heard of the wanderer's palace?

See in that dungeon, crafting mats are in side chests, and loot is in boss chests.

That is the correct way to distribute loot.

We need that in EX dungeons.

I think the highlight of this topic is the fact that some people don't even know consumables are in chests... really? Do you not have a chat log?

I know!

Actually Coke, Peacock Ore, Animal Fat, and Potash I prefer over any gear. Not Filtered Water and Cooking Sherry, that stuff is worthless.

I agree, and I think you'll get even more of that nice stuff if it was in side chests instead of having to see loot yoinked out of your hands by some evil person that can NEED on it while all you can do is greed.

[Yumi_umi]

Had a few dungeons before that only dropped filtered water, cooking sherry and voidsent blood in all the chests. It was the worst un satisfying run ever.
Really good skilled party but really poor rewards. Wtf SE lol wtf!
Oh well that's rng for ya.
If only they could make the last chest gear. So at least we'd be assured to get something decent on the last chest.

[Valanthe_Liadon]

The argument here isn't really for the players that are already i90+. In the grand scheme of things, we don't need anything from the dungeon outside of Mythology/Soldiery Tomes, and anything we get for Seals/whatever is a bonus.

However, the DL gear (and new sets) that new players can use to continue to progress on their gear to get to Coil are too hard to drop. That's the problem here. Instead of putting Crafting Mats in the side chests, though, I'd put them as an additional chance on a 2nd loot item on the equipment chests. That gives you 3-4 chests per zone w/ Equipment+chance to drop a crafting item.

Yes, it's (relatively) easy to farm Mythology as a higher-level character. However, the people most affected by this problem are the people who AREN'T Higher level and who should be using this content to gear progress so they can do Coil/etc.