We really NEED another GREED

[scarletfoxxy]

The solution is simple: Allow everyone to view rolls as soon as the loot list gets updated! You don't even have to view the number they rolled...just the fact they rolled on said item. So, if you agreed to let the bard have monk boots but the troll rolled on the monk boots...everyone can see that he placed a roll and can postpone rolling until he leaves. Or allow a vote kick but to stop ABUSE....if he was unfairly vote kicked then everyone who voted to dismiss him should have their accounts suspended and loot removed. SIMPLE! and SE needs to stand strict on this to make sure first offenses are suspended and second offenses are banned.

[Cherie]

I don't know if having a new rolling option is going to solve anything.

Sure, granted people roll on gear they can't even use. Is leveling in this game so difficult? Does having a 50 in a particular job grant you some level of awesomeness that you should be rewarded from then on, forever?

I guess what I'm getting at is that since I've started playing this game, I've known many people that have every job leveled, merely for the purpose of being allowed to roll on anything. Here I would be, playing bard, being a bard that is all I play, and someone like that, with every job, trying to talk me out of rolling on "need" on a drop that I wanted for the only job I played.

I guess I just have issue with anyone rolling on "Greed" on stuff without thought. Just because you have a particular job at 50, doesn't even mean you have time to play it or even like to play it. I think having a job leveled that you don't even like and rolling on gear for it, is about as bad as rolling on gear for a job that you haven't even unlocked. I've known people too that roll on stuff for jobs they haven't unlocked. Often these people only log on to raid, so I knew they had no intention of ever leveling that job. They just rolled because of the "pokemon" factor, as I'd call it. Gotta catch em all (loot)!

In the end it doesn't really matter, it's just pixels. The only thing that I actually find troubling is that whole politeness factor. Just, why can't people not be jerks all the time and just realize that like, certain people will enjoy whatever piece of gear more and let them have it, that they maybe can only have maybe 3 jobs that they will ever really play and any gear more than that is just kind of silly (or unless they are just incredibly bored and don't log off much). :P

Also, I guess I thought I'd add: Those of you that make premades, but pug that one extra person. I like to pug in party finder sometimes, so often I've been that extra person. How unpleasant is it when some piece of gear drops, it could even be for my main class that I happen to even be on, and without any prior agreement, they assume I'm going to pass for "little joe" or some hapless person from their premade that "really needs the gear". In fact, it won't even come up that I'm even there. It's just "Congratulations Little Joe!" when the item drops and if I rolled for some reason, they are just horrified. I don't know why people should be so shocked. I often find myself passing in these situations anyway, but just feeling like a fool. I won't even get a thank you. Not that I need one. It's just, they just expect such behavior, when me joining this group, had no such covets listed beforehand that I'd just pass everything for the "experience" of raiding with such a "awesome" group... :x lol Often, when these situations happen, I wasn't even aware I was "the pug" till the end. As far as I knew, everyone joined like I did, but it became pretty obvious when the loot roll window popped up that everyone besides me were "pals".

[Kinseykinz]

Yeah I know I'm off topic, just responding. But I think OP's point was actually that someone with not even a level 1 CNJ took an i95 WHM wand. That's quite different to a level 50 Tank rolling on level 50 Tank gear. If you can roll need, you're allowed to roll need. It's not really up to someone else to dictate what "need" means.

And this is exactly why the system is fine as is....because everyone else has their own variation of what 'need' means (usually spun in their favor btw).

(and I'm not arguing you I agree with you)

If you WANT/NEED something, enter with friends (a full group of friends), or enter on the roll the item is for. Otherwise, accept the odds that if the item drops, you might not get it.

And folks, it's pretend stuff....that will be replaced by 'better' pretend stuff down the line. The amount of butt-hurt over pretend stuff is way too high.

[Huntington]

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That's still better than people rolling for something and getting it over someone else who might have the class decently leveled and unlocked compared to someone that hasn't even went into the Guild yet. If people have at least leveled several things and Greed for something while someone else also has it, it still has the possibility of going to somewhere useful instead of just being wasted for months until someone remembers that they rolled Greed on something months ago and that they should finally start leveling a class now.

[Skinwalker]

What about just remove NEED. Makes it fair for everyone ^^

[PArcher]

I had all DoW/DoM classes at 50 except for 1, PGL, which was at 15. I never intended to level it, passing ALL non-GC-turn-in MNK gear that dropped (even seen a bunch of Allagan hit the floor).


Farming T5 for my boots a month or so ago, they finally drop. I'm so excited I Greed the weapon in haste without seeing what it was (T5 group was specifically running to get those boots, so yeah, no other DRG) and hear the ding after I hit Need, then a second ding right after. Look down confused and see a list of names and then read the item name I won:


Allagan Baghnakhs


Oops


Long story short, I got Mantra last night...and the moment I get MNK to 50 (next week) it will likely be i93 or so...

Without winning those weapons, I would have never touched PGL again...

[abzoluut]

While I understand the OP's frustration, I don't think we "need" another loot system. This has to do with people's decency rather than "OmGZ! SE needz to fixz thiz @&€!"

I think it happened to most of us. I just remember them and never play with them again.

SE should make it available to write notes when we blacklist people. xD

[omfgwtf]

I would give this advice to everyone... unless you have something better .. greed EVERYTHING.. just because you don't NEED it now and might not have any intentions of ever leveling the job... you probably will eventually.. and if someone really NEEDED something they would run with that job.. as for the deal with the greed pty.. that is just bs.. that whm was kind enough to change his/her job to help out and you just piss on them.. stuff like that should be an instant permaban.. none of this first time warning bs.. get rid of them... which is not contradicting my original statement as this party had all agreed before hand that the whm rod would go to the sch.