We really NEED another GREED

[DoubleT]

um ya, what you meant to post is, will people quit ninja lotting in greed pts!?!?!. because what you described in your first post, is already in the game. If you cant equip something, Need is greyed out, giving EVERYONE the chance to Greed. Ya ninja lotting sux, but it happens in mmo's. just write down that persons name, an dont do content with them anymore.

[Felis]

What about people who can equip it with one of their classes but don't need it? Be it because the person have already better equip or just played the needed class for the equip until 50 but not more?

the OP solution would only set a level requirement for ninja looting, but would not fix it.

[TeganLaron]

'need' scenario was only used to demonstrate the futility in having a level gate in order to roll 'greed'

There is actually no difference at all, lv50 DRG rolled 'greed' for a WHM weapon (which he has leveled to 50) even if he doesn't need the weapon is the same as a lv50 DRG who rolled 'greed' even if he doesn't have a level 50 WHM, there is no difference at the end of the day and having a level gate in order to roll doesn't solve said problem either, in fact, it solves nothing, unless you're saying that a player with corresponding level 50 class are somewhat more justified to 'greed' for loot he/she is gonna discard.

Sorry I really don't understand what you're on about. I was the one who stated that "Greed is greed." I see no issue (with the system) in people rolling for items they cannot currently use. As do I not see an issue with people rolling on items they have already outgrown gear wise.

If you want an item that badly, then play the class required for it. Otherwise your fate is in the lap of RNG and potentially greedy allies.

[ParanoidHobo]

I will still roll Need on any caster gear that drops that I can trade in for seals

You do not need seals anymore than the rest of your group needs seals. If you need roll things you're not going to equip you're kind of being a jerk as far as I'm concerned.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

What they saying is this. Sunday night I was running brayflox HM on my sch but I am also leveling both tanks they are around level 36. So, I figured I will get the tank darklight set while I run. We kill first boss its tank gear I rolled greed but the Tank roll need. I checked the tank gear thinking maybe he need this gear. Nope this fool rocking High allagan, allagan, Soldery gear and fully upgraded relic. I asked why you needed on that? He said "To turn in for GC seals." Really? It pissed me off so bad when he pulled the 3 groups of goblins I just let him die.

Though it certainly sucks, what you could try next time is at the start of the run, ask the group if they are willing to let you have some tank gear for your jobs. It never hurts to speak up. And that's what's wrong with DF. Not enough communication.

[LineageRazor]

Aside from turning in for GC points, there's a whole NEW reason folks will lot Need and Greed on gear even though they already possess much better gear: Retainers.

At level 50, Retainers get the option to access Exploration ventures with ilvl requirements of 50, 60, and 70. Rolling Need on Darklight and CT gear is a very convenient way to gear up your retainers without spending a ton of money on Vanya gear and such. Additionally, since the only way a retainer can get a class to level 50 is if you have the same class at level 50, anyone gearing a retainer is qualified to lot Need so long as they play as that class.

So, yeah - want gear for your alts, play as your alts, because between GC points and Retainers, competition for mid-level gear has become a whole lot more fierce.

[KingOfAbyss]

Run wasnt sabotage didnt even waste a minute, even though I believe there is no such thing as wasting time in videogames. Since videogames are meant to waste time. I am a nice person I help more people then anyone I know. I let people watch CS. I don't mind explaining any fight. I don't expect instakills or automatic speedruns in df. I don't tell people to watch videos which is a waste of time. Let's be honest getting seals is the easiest thibg in this game hell I'm capped and that's we 4 level 50 retainers.

I am not sure if I see you in DF what I'll do.. even if you state that you are nice, or not judging by only being pissed, you let them die, even if only once, it shows your type of character. In real life, if you pulled the trigger because someone took your ice cream cone, you can't raise the dead person.

As you mentionned it's only a videogame, nothing to cry over a pixel piece of Equipment.

I am very nice as well, just like you for CS and helping. SE made a Need and Greed button. If I need and I don't have it, and win the roll, it's mine, same applies to Greed. What I do with that piece of equipment doesn't concern anyone, but me. (view LineageRazor post as well)

Next time it drops (and it will, just like Coil and Ex and whatever) I am one that already has the item, then that's one more chance for you to get the loot.

We all worked hard, evenly, each playing their roles properly, to down the bosses/event. Everyone deserves the same thing, lvl 1 or 50. Luck will discern, so be it.

You want to make sure nothing happens, and that you'll get that phat loot? FC full party. Problem solved.

*If you see me and my GF: run. She has a knack for getting all loot, even when she rolls 2. (dang I wish I had her luck)

**Constructive solution: Get rid of need and greed, just like getting the baby opo-opo randomly to a player. Let's put that into all drops, even the stupid drops from brayflox chest with potash. Let's see how it will go ^^

[Lemon8or]

This would also prevent fresh lvl50 players to immediatly equip end-game gear before they actually have any experience on it.

Why does it matter if they have experience or not? They still need the gears. Oh right, because gear = experience amirite? And just because they can't use it now doesn't mean they can't use it ever. I've won the wave bow for my bard when bard is only level 40. Still took like 5 days to get to 50 to use it. Doesn't mean my greed should've been less than the other guy that didn't come as bard.

[LunarEmerald]

I agree with the others. If you want the loot, you play the class. If you refuse to and lose the greed roll, it's your fault for not playing the class.

[Souljacker]

Something closer to the personal loot system used in WoW for LFR and Flex is the only way to solve this problem to everyone's satisfaction. All I'm seeing is "I don't feel that person deserves this loot even though they are doing the same fight I am because xyz" and it's a stupid comment.

With a personal loot system, you select the role (here it would be job) you want your automatic roll to have a CHANCE (emphasis on chance, the rolls are actually pretty low there to get a good piece of equipment) to get, and the system decides. No one else sees your roll, what role you selected said roll for, and you get to bring who you want to the event\dungeon\whatever instead of who has the specific job the need button is open for.

It's solved a lot of loot issues over there.