We really NEED another GREED

[Nicobo]

...everyone agreed. But when the Wand dropped, someone else rolled GREED on it and won...

Last week from another thread I read some players confirmed that they reported similar issue and GM had taken promptly action (like in 4hr),
reviewed the case and resovled the dispute, so the healer should call GM asap. If you want i can help you to find out that thread.

[Kinseykinz]

the person you screwed you over was yourself, play the class or risk losing the loot.

or, and this idea is so crazy it might even work: Queue up with friends who will pass you the gear....even if you aren't on the 'need' job.




I'm starting to think people forget they still have the freedom to choose their entire team anytime they choose.....

Ok, i'll throw in the context:

We were doing a GREED party for levi ex, and our healer wanted the WHM wand, but he changed to scholar because we already had a WHM who had the wand. He really wanted the Wand and even asked for it and everyone agreed. But when the Wand dropped, someone else rolled GREED on it and won, even thought his CNJ was at lvl 0.

This situation really pissed me off.
So I ask that you consider the system I talked about, and discuss it, if it would be good or bad, or even worth the trouble, instead of just jumping to "it's your fault".

1. Should have stayed whm in a PuG of people he couldn't trust. No reason both healers couldn't heal it as whm. (it's easier with sch, but doable with 2 whms)
2. Never expect a pug of people (even a 'greed' group from PF) to play fair.

3. The GAME does not allow for 'opps lemme change my lot' (being able to change your lot to Pass if you accidentally lot Need/Greed on something). So maybe the person out of habit greeded thinking healers would need if they wanted not understanding the SCH couldn't need on it. If you ask for anything, ask for that to be fixed, that the option to 'Pass' is still available after you lot, incase someone asks for something after you already cast your lot. (this happens to me a lot on tome runs, I will 'greed' things for turn in's and someone asks after the loot drops mind if i take it...., I'd pass but can't now.)

[SirEdeonX]

I'm starting to think people forget they still have the freedom to choose their entire team anytime they choose.....

You're completely right, don't get me wrong. But sometimes you need that extra pug, you know.

But as I stated, a couple of MMOs already do this, so after that incident, I was wondering what did our community think of it, if it would be worth it or not.

Did the party report the person? Mods have said to do so when this happens.

We actually did yeah.

[SendohJin]

the person you screwed you over was yourself, play the class or risk losing the loot.

this kind of narrow-mindedness screws the entire party, especially on harder content.

what i always see in Party Finder:
Need > Greed parties missing OT PLD for Leviathan, tanks for Garuda EX and Turn 4, missing healers for Ifrit EX and Turn 2, missing BRDs for Turn 1 and 2 (though you don't really need BRDs for either anymore).

all the high demand / higher stress jobs takes longest to fill because the people that are capable of doing those jobs already got their items.

people would rather not play the game and wait then let people Greed on other jobs.

[Arkista]

I would rather be able to play my main class (which is geared) to try and gear other classes. If something drops and I lose the lot, Guess what I lost it. If I want it that bad I will play that class.

[Amnesia]

So if there are two DPS in the dungeon and one has BLM leveled to 49 while the other has BLM leveled to 50 then only the 2nd one should be able to "greed" BLM-specific level 50 gear?

Sorry, that just doesn't make sense to me. "Greed" means that you can't use on that particular class, but you want it. I don't see why the 2nd DPS's "greed" should get precedence over the first one's...

[blowfin]

OP, no, if you don't like the rules don't play at the casino.

This would also prevent fresh lvl50 players to immediatly equip end-game gear before they actually have any experience on it.

It doesn't matter how fresh people are, if they are in the instance and you win, they have just as much right to greed on it as anyone else.

[blowfin]

Well that's unfortunate and the result of someone not sticking to their word by the sound of it. There's no need to change the lotting system though.

[Arkista]

OP beat me to it but....

What I think he means is that players are rolling greed on gear they can't even use. My wife had this happen to her in T1 a few months back, A Striking piece dropped which she needed for DRG, She rolled and so did someone who didn't even have LNC/PUG unlocked. And the guy won it, He ended up being in one of our LSs was kicked after.

So in a way I do agree with the OP, But some players are just douche bags.

snip.

If everyone in the party agreed to it then you need to report the player.

[Lithera]

The devs have already said they're considering allowing us to actually see the rolls on items. That would partially solve the problem. Unfortunately opening up vote kick at the end of a dungeon has WAY too much chance of abuse so we won't ever be able to remove the troll, but you can ruin their day by having someone else roll and beat them to ensure they don't get the drop.