When will BLM be buffed?

[wicked-one]

What can I say... Probably your Melee just don't know how to play THEIR class. And bard topping your parse means he never plays songs for your party which I am not sure if it is good.

All are doing fine - I just realized what´s up for a BLM main priority - DO NOT MOVE...

Your DPS is not dependable on your rotation, it´s easy as you know, it comes in when you shift your movement to the least necessary.

It comes out to the situation, we never parsed on a dummy for quite some time, and when it was, the BRD hat superior equipment (Updated Levi EX Wpn) ...
And I wouldn´t blame the Melee, comparing us at T8, he has a lot to move...

To get to the point, by now I don´t have the feeling any Class is far more superior than any other one, every class has it´s place in the endgame and i don´t feel in disadvantage with my BLM as Main...

[Nekodar]

All are doing fine - I just realized what´s up for a BLM main priority - DO NOT MOVE...

"DO NOT MOVE" leads to BLM's taking unnecessary damage and puts more strain on the healer...
I hate when black mages insist on staying in the AoE's just because they're in their rotation.

[wicked-one]

"DO NOT MOVE" leads to BLM's taking unnecessary damage and puts more strain on the healer...
I hate when black mages insist on staying in the AoE's just because they're in their rotation.

Well, that was maybe overacted, but i wanted to state that "the less you move, the more you do damage"... so mastering BLM is mastering you movement (or not-movement) more than anything else...

But a BLM is no turret, i DO actually move - but as less as necessary...

A Thunder3 or Fire3 Proc gives me a 3 seconds of movement; Speedbuffed Ice3/Fire3 leaves you a few steps ´til GCD; I can Teleport; I can eat up 2 of Twinnis Divebombs with my Mana-Wall... but in worst case i clearly avoid the AoE if possible, unless it´s like T8 or the first Boss in WP which always hits you...

so no worries Nyaano, i would be the BLM you have to care about last ;-)

[Pacifyer]

I'll repost from another thread to ensure it reaches both devs and community.

I do agree that BLM has its place in the game. But there should be a place for it in endgame (read raids).
Currently there are several problems that make BLM bad for raids:
1. It suffers too much from movement/avoiding mechanics. Interrupting casts midcast without decent filler (scathe is sooo bad)
2. It has totally low single target DPS even if standing still. On a dummy test (which is ideal situation for BLM) one is behind all other classes ~15%
3. There are very few situations where BLM can show his AOE potential.
- Levi - none (maybe 1 swiftcasted flare on 2 adds if tanks stack them)
- T6 - 1 swiftcasted flare for central bulb (once or twice in a fight)
- T7 - none, all mobs are spread out to avoid melee being cleaved
- T8 - Flaring Dreads 2 times
- T9 - none, all mobs are always spread out
- Fore most of these situations SMN is much better to Bane/Enkindle
4. It totally relies on RNG on Firestarter and Thundercloud procs and those procs almost can't serve a purpose to plan on movement.
5. Firestarter and Thundercloud procs overwrite themselves if they are not being used immediately.

What I am proposing to do to counter most of these problems:
- Change both Firestarter and Thundercloud to be a stackable buff like Umbral Ice with 3 stacks.
- Increase probability on Thundercloud procs drastically. 5% is so low that you can't ever expect it to proc in time for anything. Maybe 25-30% could do the trick however it is still so much relying on luck... I expect at least 2 thundercloud procs per fire rotation.
- (optionally) increase probability of Firestarter proc to 50-60%.
- (optionally) increase duration on Firestarter and Thundercloud procs to allow situational usage of them.

As a result we get:
- Increased single target DPS. Imagine us having Thundercloud for Ice phase. There won't be a situation when say add spawns requiring immediate DPS but we are oom and can provide only our downtime fillers for it... With proposed changes I expect ~15% ST DPS increase.
- Being able to plan on movement or bursts having stacked a couple of fire/thunder procs
- We are not overpowering BLM as he still can't stack all these until he stands and hardcasts Fire/Thunder

As to bards being lowest. First - it is not true, especially with DRG in group. Second - they may provide a ton of support improving other classes DPS (sacrificing its own a bit) which is definitely not the case with BLM.

[Felis]

SE could give BLM (and WHM) an single target ranged attack skill that is instant and cost TP instead of MP.

[Xenor]

SE could give BLM (and WHM) an single target ranged attack skill that is instant and cost TP instead of MP.

They should never have nerfed Scathe. Make it cost more MP if need be but buff the damage and make it a worthwhile alternative to Fire. Though the main problem with BLM movement is sometimes losing Astral Fire III and having to start your rotation again.

[Lunavi]

The only buff I see BLM needing is that Firestarter procs "stacks" so that if I get a Firestarter proc and then another after I have two shots of it. That would greatly help BLMs maintain DPS even in high movement battles. I think up to three would be good to not make it abuseable.

[NyneAlexander]

Firestarter stacks and make apo actually worth something.

[Yumi_umi]

3rd coil requires super turret blms to burst down stuff, ppl stack blms and other dps feel left out.
Stuff happens and there will always be changes in which dps is the best and which could use a buff.
Imo just hang in there and wait for a buff for "everyone" in 2.3 or something.
Cuz everytime they fix/ add or remove something a section of the playerbase will loathe it.
Also if you knew blms were turret like dps why did you even choose to play it? You should have seen this coming tbh.
I may not play blm but all i know is tht ppl like trying to make their classes something they r not.
I like my "tank" whm cuz it's fun so i'm one of those ppl.

But either it'll be in 2.28 or the patch after.
Just prey they don't "mess up" the blm's tool kit.

[sackm]

they should just revert the scathe nerf or buff Thunder potency. 90% of BLMs I've seen put out terrible numbers because they don't use the tools available to them to maximize their uptime (Aetherial Manipulation + Manawall)