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    You're also noticing a smaller weapon damage increase across the tier.

    Simply put, Monk I95 = 47 WD. I115 = 53 WD. Difference = 6 WD or 12.7% MORE.
    BLM I95 = 71 WD. I115 = 77 WD. Difference = 6 WD but 8.45% more, which is magically LESS than the boost that non-caster dps get.

    Though that does seem to be the primary outlier. Str/Dex/Int all end up in the same ballpark, I believe, somewhere in the mid 500s. But WD, which is the single largest contributor to anyone dps, goes up by a smaller % value for casters.
    Now if the I115 caster weapons came with 80 WD, then things might look a little better.
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    On-topic, I'm also looking forward to when it will happen.

    Off-topic, threads like this ALWAYS, WITHOUT FAIL get into debates on DPS numbers. Like telephone....it just makes me laugh now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenji1134 View Post
    Simply put, Monk I95 = 47 WD. I115 = 53 WD. Difference = 6 WD or 12.7% MORE.
    BLM I95 = 71 WD. I115 = 77 WD. Difference = 6 WD but 8.45% more, which is magically LESS than the boost that non-caster dps get.
    By that logic, bard should have had the biggest increase 42 -> 48 or 14.28% and they're non-caster dps. Only reason BLM's number is low is if the fight involves lots of movements. T8 is an example of where BLMs can catch up if they don't take a lot of duties.
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    can WHM's get a buff too?

    i mean, i hate how a scholar has free movement whilst the pet heals but ive gotta be the turret.

    BLM will get buffed but by the sounds of it it'll only be within specific fights. nothing outside, so it wont be a major buffing, just allows more damage output registered in fights.
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  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Naelle View Post
    Yet easily #1for AOE. It's called a trade off but people these days want to be the best at everything.
    trade-offs are meaningless when the content is so streamlined. they are not going to have top end content with AOE DPS checks, that will create a large imbalance in the other direction and you'll get all the other jobs asking for buffs to AOE damage.
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  6. #16
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    Myrhn Shirayuki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemon8or View Post
    Only reason BLM's number is low is if the fight involves lots of movements. T8 is an example of where BLMs can catch up if they don't take a lot of duties.
    That is so wrong in so many ways. Been in a lot of Titan Ex/HM and even Ultima or any other fight that have a lot of movement and blm will be top or close to top dps against even geared people. T8 is the prime example of blm needing a buff because even if they dont move in the whole fight they fall behind the people that are moving a lot during the fight.
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    I love the official forums, they tell you to use the search for thread about what you wanted to talk but when you use it they judge for necro a thread.


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    however if they buff blm globally it will cause massive unbalance in other areas. I can understand why it needs a buff in some areas but this needs to be tackled very carefully. I mean seriously if they got buffed brayflox hm will just became even more lol with a blm.
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  8. #18
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    Never.... We are already too strong >.>
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    It was mentioned that BLMs suffer in new coil because of all the movement but...

    Where is all this movement? Turn 6, you basically just move occasionally for devour, maybe you have to move for vines (if you are picked). Turn 7 you basically just move for shriek, maybe if you get cursed voice you move but, as a dps you have the smallest chance of getting it. Turn 8 you only move if you are doing a tower or a mine, otherwise you just stand there and nuke. Turn 9 has movement, so I can grant you that one but, it's not nearly as much as some of the ex primals.

    Don't get me wrong though, I do think BLM suffer from heavy movement fights. Titan Ex is probably the worst offender. I just don't see the new coil as being the worst of their troubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherie View Post
    It was mentioned that BLMs suffer in new coil because of all the movement but...

    Where is all this movement? Turn 6, you basically just move occasionally for devour, maybe you have to move for vines (if you are picked). Turn 7 you basically just move for shriek, maybe if you get cursed voice you move but, as a dps you have the smallest chance of getting it. Turn 8 you only move if you are doing a tower or a mine, otherwise you just stand there and nuke. Turn 9 has movement, so I can grant you that one but, it's not nearly as much as some of the ex primals.

    Don't get me wrong though, I do think BLM suffer from heavy movement fights. Titan Ex is probably the worst offender. I just don't see the new coil as being the worst of their troubles.
    Less about the movement of T6-9; it's more a combination of BLM being 4th worst sustained DPS and then being impacted the worst by movement. Our max damage should be closer to SMN (though not surpassing it in a meaningful way) and we should be impacted far less by movement, then you've got a class that's less a burden. Right now SMN smokes BLM in every turn except possibly T8, and it's not even close.
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