What's with the new players today?

[stuscott]

I agree to a point - but to play devil's advocate:

We veteran players need to be aware of how we come across when we give advice. What we perceive as helpful can come across snippy. I am currently levelling my PLD. I have levelled all DPS and healing classes and know a lot about the game, but I always warn my party the first time I am tanking a dungeon, especially if I haven't run it in awhile. I had one dungeon left earlier today to get the challenge log bonus after completing my roulettes so I changed to my PLD and queued for low roulette again since Tank was class in need. I got Stone Vigil, which I haven't even ran in quite awhile. So at the start of the dungeon, I said "Hey - been awhile since I ran this and first time tanking it, so apologies in advance if I forget a mechanic or something."

Two seconds after I posted that in chat, the healer replies with "SHIELD OATH" and then "You better mark targets and rotate properly if you want us to stay alive or the dps will take all the hate off you." From their perspective, those are two very useful pieces of advice - and as someone who's run this on DPS and healing classes, I agree with their points. However, at first, it came across to me as bossy and a little rude. Granted, I just put on Shield Oath and started to pull, but someone who takes that stuff seriously would have turned that into a drama fest. Advice isn't always wanted or needed. I usually wait until after a wipe or until someone asks a question to throw something out there. Or if I see something someone can do that they aren't, I ask if they would like a helpful tip. In this run, I knew how to tank the mobs. If I wasn't sure where to tank a boss, I asked.

[AlexionSkylark]

This happens regardless if it's DF or not. People will be people, there will always be good eggs and bad eggs. There's nothing anyone can do to change that.

But the thing is... with the manual queue, people have to worry about their REPUTATION in the server, so they tend to be a nicer and productive. The anonymity provided by the duty finder relieves all social pressure to perform good or even treat other people nicely. "I most likely will never see these people again" is the driving force of all the bullshit and bad attitude rolling on the duty finder. Manual party-finding eliminates that.

But people are lazy, and want a "join dungeon" button =\

[Vahlnir]

It just depends on how the mobs are stacked up.
The fact that Doom Spike drains TP fast is the probable reason.
Alternating between Heavy Thrust and RoT lets us stay in the fight longer.

Honestly, most people just suck.

I use Doom Spike if most, possibly all of the mobs the tank has pulled are stacked tightly enough. If the tank decides it's a good idea to run around in circles with em I'll switch to Ring of Thorns.

[Yarikh]

When I go in as a dps in LLDR.. I noticed this too. A level 41 marauder in sastasha, another time a gladiator in haukke manor that never uses flash... or shield lob or stuns.. they seem to think they're dps...

Tried to give them some friendly advice but I get flat out ignored. ~_~

Idk it's times like that I think yelling and getting mad might get the point across sometimes because some people don't think it's that serious of a problem when you're trying to let them know gently without trying to sound like,'hey tank, do your job right!!'

[Vahlnir]

When I go in as a dps in LLDR.. I noticed this too. A level 41 marauder in sastasha, another time a gladiator in haukke manor that never uses flash... or shield lob or stuns.. they seem to think they're dps...

Tried to give them some friendly advice but I get flat out ignored. ~_~

Idk it's times like that I think yelling and getting mad might get the point across sometimes because some people don't think it's that serious of a problem when you're trying to let them know gently without trying to sound like,'hey tank, do your job right!!'

Haha, yeah...this is how it goes sometimes, especially lately. At first I'm very, very polite. If I'm ignored, then I continue the polite approach for awhile. After that I become increasingly irritated lol I'd at least like an acknowledgement, even if it's a "STFU, I'll play my way!"...that way I know if they want to be or can be helped.

[elreed]

Omg I thought all you were just npc's I'd play with you mean your actually alive 0.0! :P

They're not real is just another trick from SE

[IndigoHawk]

If you think that players should watch videos and only play dps until they know the game, you're wrong.

In roulette, you earn tomes by playing with new players. It's not a speedrun. It's not for people who know what they're doing. It's for vets to earn a little pay for helping noobs and for noobs to get parties for old content.

Also, DF does not ruin the community. What ruins the community is end game based on extensive grind, where there is no reward for trying, only reward for completing content as fast as possible. This type of game design makes the community toxic to new players.

[drivendawn]

[QUOTE=IndigoHawk;2124413]If you think that players should watch videos and only play dps until they know the game, you're wrong.

In roulette, you earn tomes by playing with new players. It's not a speedrun. It's not for people who know what they're doing. It's for vets to earn a little pay for helping noobs and for noobs to get parties for old content.

Also, DF does not ruin the community. What ruins the community is end game based on extensive grind, where there is no reward for trying, only reward for completing content as fast as possible. This type of game design makes the community toxic to new players.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately the community chooses to do so but yes I do agree with you. Also I don't think anyone should get stuff for trying, they should always earn it.

[Zakalwe]

When I go in as a dps in LLDR.. I noticed this too. A level 41 marauder in sastasha, another time a gladiator in haukke manor that never uses flash... or shield lob or stuns.. they seem to think they're dps...

Tried to give them some friendly advice but I get flat out ignored. ~_~

Idk it's times like that I think yelling and getting mad might get the point across sometimes because some people don't think it's that serious of a problem when you're trying to let them know gently without trying to sound like,'hey tank, do your job right!!'

They are often bots.

[Moirear]

I then say "tank, if you are new, just say so, no crime in that, just don't go reckless and clueless when you have to guide your party" and he goes "FUK U BITCH". Needless to say I left.

Bit of a tangent, but I do find that, people calling others by their job or role descriptor ("hey, tank, you need to pull the left mob first!" or "go ahead and use your stuns, MNK") come across as almost even more rude than those who don't even bother to reply to a hello athe beginning of a dungeon (the latter which I sometimes suspect is because they are on consoles and have no keyboard.)

People have names.