What's with the new players today?

[AlexionSkylark]

Well... I called that one when the discussion about the duty finder was going on, before they implement it.
It happened EXACTLY as I said it would.

Just as I said the same thing back when TERA was having its beta a few years ago, and they were talking about a matchmaking system for dungeon parties. They did it anyway, and happened as I foretold. Now the same happens here.

EVERY NEW MMO has that discussion at some point in its development. EVERY TIME the people who try to warn against it are the doomsayers, the negativists, the people who can't see the big picture. EVERY TIME they end up implementing it. and EVERY TIME it becomes a hellhole of bad attitude.

I should be tired of this discussion. But it still amazes me how people can make the same mistakes over and over again...

[Bizniztyme]

Well... I called that one when the discussion about the duty finder was going on, before they implement it.
It happened EXACTLY as I said it would.

Just as I said the same thing back when TERA was having its beta a few years ago, and they were talking about a matchmaking system for dungeon parties. They did it anyway, and happened as I foretold. Now the same happens here.

EVERY NEW MMO has that discussion at some point in its development. EVERY TIME the people who try to warn against it are the doomsayers, the negativists, the people who can't see the big picture. EVERY TIME they end up implementing it. and EVERY TIME it becomes a hellhole of bad attitude.

I should be tired of this discussion. But it still amazes me how people can make the same mistakes over and over again...

This happens regardless if it's DF or not. People will be people, there will always be good eggs and bad eggs. There's nothing anyone can do to change that.

[AlexionSkylark]

This happens regardless if it's DF or not. People will be people, there will always be good eggs and bad eggs. There's nothing anyone can do to change that.

But the thing is... with the manual queue, people have to worry about their REPUTATION in the server, so they tend to be a nicer and productive. The anonymity provided by the duty finder relieves all social pressure to perform good or even treat other people nicely. "I most likely will never see these people again" is the driving force of all the bullshit and bad attitude rolling on the duty finder. Manual party-finding eliminates that.

But people are lazy, and want a "join dungeon" button =\

[Kret]

I know I can edit a post to make longer but my phones not letting it happen

In tam Tara I go in for a animus book. I'm well aware I'm massively over geared so I turn it down a bit. This tank I'm with keeps hitting things with coke right off the bat. I tell him " I don't think coke does what you think it does". He replies "builds hate" I say kindof but it doesn't just stack hate like you think. It's more of a oh sh**! Button if you lose hate. Watch" next target I tell him to voke. I spear chuck and take it off. I then Do as much as possible and get about half a bar ahead in hate and tell him to voke again. He does and takes the mob back. My feeling of pride in executing a decent lesson is quickly smashed when he says " it's know I talks like you that ruin online gaming for people" and leaves..... For real!? Your proven wrong but now know something you didn't and you get mad about it? /facepalm

[stuscott]

I agree to a point - but to play devil's advocate:

We veteran players need to be aware of how we come across when we give advice. What we perceive as helpful can come across snippy. I am currently levelling my PLD. I have levelled all DPS and healing classes and know a lot about the game, but I always warn my party the first time I am tanking a dungeon, especially if I haven't run it in awhile. I had one dungeon left earlier today to get the challenge log bonus after completing my roulettes so I changed to my PLD and queued for low roulette again since Tank was class in need. I got Stone Vigil, which I haven't even ran in quite awhile. So at the start of the dungeon, I said "Hey - been awhile since I ran this and first time tanking it, so apologies in advance if I forget a mechanic or something."

Two seconds after I posted that in chat, the healer replies with "SHIELD OATH" and then "You better mark targets and rotate properly if you want us to stay alive or the dps will take all the hate off you." From their perspective, those are two very useful pieces of advice - and as someone who's run this on DPS and healing classes, I agree with their points. However, at first, it came across to me as bossy and a little rude. Granted, I just put on Shield Oath and started to pull, but someone who takes that stuff seriously would have turned that into a drama fest. Advice isn't always wanted or needed. I usually wait until after a wipe or until someone asks a question to throw something out there. Or if I see something someone can do that they aren't, I ask if they would like a helpful tip. In this run, I knew how to tank the mobs. If I wasn't sure where to tank a boss, I asked.

[Yarikh]

When I go in as a dps in LLDR.. I noticed this too. A level 41 marauder in sastasha, another time a gladiator in haukke manor that never uses flash... or shield lob or stuns.. they seem to think they're dps...

Tried to give them some friendly advice but I get flat out ignored. ~_~

Idk it's times like that I think yelling and getting mad might get the point across sometimes because some people don't think it's that serious of a problem when you're trying to let them know gently without trying to sound like,'hey tank, do your job right!!'

[Vahlnir]

When I go in as a dps in LLDR.. I noticed this too. A level 41 marauder in sastasha, another time a gladiator in haukke manor that never uses flash... or shield lob or stuns.. they seem to think they're dps...

Tried to give them some friendly advice but I get flat out ignored. ~_~

Idk it's times like that I think yelling and getting mad might get the point across sometimes because some people don't think it's that serious of a problem when you're trying to let them know gently without trying to sound like,'hey tank, do your job right!!'

Haha, yeah...this is how it goes sometimes, especially lately. At first I'm very, very polite. If I'm ignored, then I continue the polite approach for awhile. After that I become increasingly irritated lol I'd at least like an acknowledgement, even if it's a "STFU, I'll play my way!"...that way I know if they want to be or can be helped.

[Zakalwe]

When I go in as a dps in LLDR.. I noticed this too. A level 41 marauder in sastasha, another time a gladiator in haukke manor that never uses flash... or shield lob or stuns.. they seem to think they're dps...

Tried to give them some friendly advice but I get flat out ignored. ~_~

Idk it's times like that I think yelling and getting mad might get the point across sometimes because some people don't think it's that serious of a problem when you're trying to let them know gently without trying to sound like,'hey tank, do your job right!!'

They are often bots.

[Vahlnir]

They are often bots.

Or have a hard time communicating with the group. Had a "tank" last night in Totorak that took about 10min to respond to any and all questions/advice we were saying in party chat, when I finally asked if they could type something or anything, they said "Yes, sorry", which took them about 2min to type out somehow...I then proceeded to ask them if they had any aggro gaining abilities (They were not tanking at all up to that point) which was answered roughly 2-3min later with "What are aggro gaining abilities"...aside from seemingly not knowing that they were a tank at all, their communication was poor at best. Regardless I left 5 seconds later, but I tried for the better part of 10min to get through to this guy.

[IndigoHawk]

If you think that players should watch videos and only play dps until they know the game, you're wrong.

In roulette, you earn tomes by playing with new players. It's not a speedrun. It's not for people who know what they're doing. It's for vets to earn a little pay for helping noobs and for noobs to get parties for old content.

Also, DF does not ruin the community. What ruins the community is end game based on extensive grind, where there is no reward for trying, only reward for completing content as fast as possible. This type of game design makes the community toxic to new players.