WTF WHMs?

[ariaandkia]

how are you quantifying "better spell for damage"? Here's some napkin math...

single target stone 2 spam: 170 potency at 159 mp ---> 1.07 p/mp and 63.6 mp/s
single target holy spam: 200 potency at 532 mp ---> 0.38 p/mp and 152 mp/s

Potency compared to time executed would be 1.07*63.6 = 68.15 p/s (stone 2) and 0.38*152 = 57.75 p/s (holy). Sooooo stone 2 is technically (albeit negligibly) more efficient than holy for single target dps based on potency, mp, and time.

for multiple targets...yeah, not even a question lol :P

You forgot one factor.

Stun. Stone 2 doesn't stun. Stone 1 slows. Holy Stuns. Aero and Aero 2 apply DoTs.

[kujowaltz]

Your math doesn't factor the (equivalent to) 10% potency boost from Cleric Stance.

Your final numbers are 74.8 p/s and 62.9 p/s respectively, which further swings it into Stone 2's favor exclusively for single targets.

Ahhhh cool! thanks for the addition

You forgot one factor.

Stun. Stone 2 doesn't stun. Stone 1 slows. Holy Stuns. Aero and Aero 2 apply DoTs.

No, I didn't forget. This is concerning single target dps and neither stun nor slow will matter because you have at least 3 other people beating on the target and negating the effect. Besides, how do you quantify a factor like that? We were crunching numbers based on a controlled scenario, status effects don't fit in.

[ariaandkia]

Ahhhh cool! thanks for the addition



No, I didn't forget. This is concerning single target dps and neither stun nor slow will matter because you have at least 3 other people beating on the target and negating the effect. Besides, how do you quantify a factor like that? We were crunching numbers based on a controlled scenario, status effects don't fit in.

Stun does not get removed by attacks. Sleep does.

And might I return to opening post:

WTF is it with most of you White Mages spamming Holy when there is just three mobs or less in the lv.50 dungeons? Yes, I have seen White Mages use Holy on just two mobs and even a single mob.

It's this way most of the time when I queue for Duty Finder as Bard. It's like you see a Bard in the group and you are all like "Ooh, Mana Battery!". To me you are just wasting mana.

When I see a White Mages start spamming Holy, I don't use Mage's Ballad till after the fight. At the next fight I turn it off. If they are still halfway or less on mana when we start the next fight, then oh well. They should of not spammed Holy on just two mobs. If the next fight is a boss fight, then I do leave ballad up a bit after the start of the boss fight if White Mage still needs some mana.

No specifying that it was a question of DPS.

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As for the aoe thiing. You can usually tell when the aoe is coming. That is why sometimes I cast a repose and have it hit at the same time the skill starts (instant cancel) or throw out a holy and have it hit at the same time thus instant cancelling

[kujowaltz]

Firstly, I never said attacking ended the status effects of heavy nor stun, I was merely pointing out that with at least 3 people beating on target, a status effect such as heavy or stun is irrelevant to dps and shouldn't be factored into calculating dps. I meant negating the effect...on dps.

If you refer to the comment resulting in this topic, the assumption was made that holy was a better DAMAGE spell than stone 2. I pointed out that may not be the case depending on the situation, resulting in more constructive brainstorming, to which you felt the need to point out a non-constructive, non-existent flaw.

Secondly, topics evolve. Please don't refer me to the original post when my comment on WHM dps had nothing to do with it. I've already read the original post and commented on it as such.

Thirdly, i'm an iLvl 90 BLM, I'm aware of sleep's limitations.

Fourthly, that's great you stun with holy so effectively, I wish more WHM did that!