Do you think the devs intended multi-flare blm?

[Raenryong]

That's a bad triple flare rotation since those fire 2's are gimped.

Second thing you described is a poor mans flare and blm resort to it during the 2nd pull group pull in brayflox if they kill the 1st boss fast enough that their cooldowns are not up yet.

It's not though - it's far more DPS. You can either calculate this mathematically, or via use of parse.

(01:03) Raid DPS: 1835; YOU - 1199DPS (65%) - first pull
(01:08) Raid DPS: 1466; YOU - 878DPS (59%) - second pull
(00:55) Raid DPS: 1240; YOU - 842DPS (67%) - third pull

i81 BLM, no Foe Requiem.

"Standard" methods tend to top out below that, even with better gear than mine (which is nothing special).

[Glydien]

And to think, BLM's are complaining that they are gimped compared to other classes, begging for tweaks to make them "more viable"...

Yeah, because outside of brayflox you see this happening ALL the time <rolls eyes>

[Raenryong]

Let n represent number of targets.

I think your suggested rotation was

Fire 3 > RS > Fire 2 x3 > Flare x3
Total time (0 speed): 21s

220 + (100 * 1.8 * 1.2 * n) * 3 + (260 * 1.8 * 1.2 * n) * 3 = 220 + 648n + 1684.8n potency

Time adjustment: 214.72 + 632.448n + 1644.3648n (~2.4% slower => ~2.4% DPS loss) potency

Fire 2 > Fire 2 > RS > Fire 2 > Fire 2 > Flare x3
Total time (0 speed): 20.5s

(100 * n) + (100 * 1.4 * n) + (100 * 1.6 * 1.2 * n) + (100 * 1.8 * 1.2 * n) + (260 * 1.8 * 1.2 * n) *3 = 648n + 1684.8n potency

214.72 + 632.448n + 1644.3648n = 648n + 1684.8n
214.72 = 55.9872n
Equalisation point is therefore n = 3.835... (3dp)
Therefore, if number of targets is four or higher, second rotation is optimal.

[Gormogon]

i81 BLM

Is this really your ilvl?

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So you have no Astral Fire 3 buff in that second rotation until you've gotten 8(?) seconds in which only covers 1 Fire II and then your 3 flares in which you're telling me you're doing more damage because it takes ~2.4% less time? Sorry but no thanks.

Also if you can't Triple Flare without keeping RS up because of lack of spell speed you consider only using 2 Fire II.

[Raenryong]

Is this really your ilvl?

On my BLM, yeah. It is my lowest ilevel along with SMN. Never really play the casters aside from speedruns/messing around.

So you have no Astral Fire 3 buff in that second rotation until you've gotten 8(?) seconds in which only covers 1 Fire II and then your 3 flares in which you're telling me you're doing more damage because it takes ~2.4% less time? Sorry but no thanks.

Also if you can't Triple Flare without keeping RS up because of lack of spell speed you consider only using 2 Fire II.

Look at the math for yourself! It is made up for by the fact that you are hitting multiple targets with that first Fire 2. Depending on how many targets that is (well, 4+ to be precise), it's a good damage lead.

My rotation also has RS up for all three Flares.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Taking just the [F3 > F2 x3], and [F2 x4], ignoring the Flares and Raging.

220 + (180*3)n
220 + 560n = RotA

100 + 140 + 160 + 180 = 580n = RotB

If n = 3,
RotA = 1900
RotB = 1740

If n = 4,
RotA = 2460
RotB = 2320

If n = 5
RotA = 3020
RotB = 2900

If n = 11
RotA = 6380
RotB = 6380

If you ask me, the tried and true standard (RotA) seems better without Raging. Perhaps I'm doing the math wrong though.

[Raenryong]

You're missing the time component - damage per time is a more useful figure than damage.

[Kuroyasha]

it's because you combo'd if you have a blm that is gonna spam flare you gotta spam flash>flare at least for me i have never lost to a blm who flares.

now also you can only do 2 flares (at full power) in a row after that you are doing ice flares which are pathetic in damage i was doing some sr's and had a blm do 5 flares, 2 full power aka fire 3 flare convert swift cast flare then transpose flare blizard flare transpose flare. which the last 3 did 1/3rd the damage of 1 of the full power ones, while the monsters still died fast it would have been easier to just double flare fire 2 them.

Correction, you can do 3 flares in a row. you can also do even more flares continously with correct timing and they wont all be ice flares(essentially infinite flaring). That transpose flare bliz flare you posted is representative of a BLM who's basically doing it wrong, or at least not coming near the full potential of that destructive powah!

[Seiryuukishi]

Devs probably didn't. But you can't compensate in code for the human element to adapt to a situation. And it being chosen over other dps is purely situational.

[Musashidon]

Correction, you can do 3 flares in a row. you can also do even more flares continously with correct timing and they wont all be ice flares(essentially infinite flaring). That transpose flare bliz flare you posted is representative of a BLM who's basically doing it wrong, or at least not coming near the full potential of that destructive powah!

yea i didn't know about potion flares till a couple posts later. since i never use potions myself it never crossed my mind.