Do you think the devs intended multi-flare blm?

[Marcusow86]

Double/triple Flare hits like a truck and you can chain them but after convert and swiftcast were used, there are no longer any point to chain them further than 3. The high casting time of flare further ensures that.

My usual flare rotation goes like this:-

1. Fire III, Fire II till >1k mana, Flare, convert, fire, swiftcast Flare, transpose, Fire III, Fire II, Flare (without mana pots)
2. Fire III, Fire II till >1k mana, Flare, convert, fire, swiftcast Flare, pots, Flare

The reason why BLM have lower DPS compare to other DPS class is because most of the fight in end game consist of only one boss or low counter of adds where true beauty of BLM (King of AOE) cannot be displayed. I believe this is solely a design flaw, in-order to counter this, they have no choice but to tweak BLM instead of the content, so BLM can deal better DPS in end game when they are in a single boss fight.

The remaining question would be if BLM were buffed in their single target DPS, will SE nerf their AOE capability?

[tymora]

They patched that Transpose > Flare + Flare cycle a while back if I remember correctly.

[SeraviEdalborez]

They patched that Transpose > Flare + Flare cycle a while back if I remember correctly.

They patched one way to do it, yes.

[Gormogon]

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1.) I never mentioned anything about sacrificing spell speed and I never mentioned anything about favoring crit. From my point of view 490 feels like the butter zone for spell speed how stats changed from ilvl 90 to ilvl 110 is something I wont bother with.
2.) Never did I say they were the best DPS job. I'm saying that their design has a balance and a flaw. Yet people are focusing too much on the flaw. Every other DPS job has a flaw not just BLM.

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Yeah it's all situational.

As for Brayflox though when 2.2 hit and people were speedrunnig it for myth. There was 2 setups that shined the most when done right.

WAR, BLM, BRD, SCH (BRD popped FoE + BV for the Black Mages AoE)
WAR, BLM, BLM, SCH (1 blm mage does 3 fire 2 and 2 flares, the other blm does 2 fire 2's and 3 flares)

Warrior's Overpower spam was a great help.
Black Mages AoE is consistent and reliable
Bard's FoE+BV to support Black Mages and their own AoE spam was helpful
Scholar for the speed buffs

Yet Scholar and Warrior could alternate.

Once I got my left side all weathered it doesn't matter who comes as the 2nd dps as long as they place their part with AoE and the tank can survive long enough for me to triple flare and quad if need be. I've had no issues with groups suggesting to try and speed run in DF when a Monk and Dragoon appear in the party.

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1.) Consistent because our rotation doesn't change. If you didn't understand that say so instead of putting words in my mouth.
2.) 2 procs because 1 is thundercloud the other is firestarter.
3.) My fault for not being more specific. In a party (in which we get an Int buff) with food 3 Flares gives enough chances for Raging Strikes so one to three Flares, depending on luck, to potentially crit for 2500-3200 each as long as the BLM's ilvls is between 90-96(counting Zenith-Animus weapon) which does not count FoE.
4.) Never did I say that burst design guarantees a constant up time on procs

Don't know why you are being overly dramatic with all of your points instead of being rational. Guess I was expecting too much of a civilized discussion.

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Totally.

DRG and BLM are on the same page both are burst dps roles yet DRG has a guaranteed crit every minute. While BLM's have the initial 4 Fire I's gets boosted through AF3 then after that it's every 5 Fire I's.
MNK, SMN, and BRD are more constant.

They all bring their own utility, damage, and flaws to a party.

As a BLM utility wise I got eye for an eye, virus, and slow/heavy from lethargy. Yet if there's an arcanist job in the mist then my Virus is kind of moot and lethargy only helps in very few situations.

[Moirear]

Every single one of my SR's with Two BLMs has -ALWAYS- been faster than a BLM and any other DPS, always, no exception. You say 'That cant be true, bosses take longer' I say, get better at your job, because it's worked damn well for me hundreds of times.

Somewhere, I've heard that petty insults and profanity will help get your point across and convince people of your opinion. Do let me know how that works out for you.

I'd just like to remind you that you're arguing with an idiot here. So even if you're a million times a better BLM player than me, I can say with a lot of idiotic confidence, that from all the times that I've tanked it, healed it, and DPSed it across six different jobs total, BLM+BLM is not the composition you want for the fastest BrayHM speedruns, even if you do another few hundred runs with it and continue to belittle me as sharing a "mere opinion."

1.) I never mentioned anything about sacrificing spell speed and I never mentioned anything about favoring crit. From my point of view 490 feels like the butter zone for spell speed how stats changed from ilvl 90 to ilvl 110 is something I wont bother with.
2.) Never did I say they were the best DPS job. I'm saying that their design has a balance and a flaw. Yet people are focusing too much on the flaw. Every other DPS job has a flaw not just BLM.

So, when you wrote that I was doing good while I wrote that that BLM is essentially the best AoE DPS job but not anymore when I proceeded to also argue that the job is pretty bad when it comes to single target dps or being forced to move a lot, then proceeded to repeat what I said in different words, you... wait, what was your point exactly?

I can tell you what my point was: the OP of this topic is implying that BLM is too good of a DPS job and soon people will only be playing BLM. I disagree and make a point that BLM has strengths and weaknesses like any other DPS job, and underline this with the fact that you don't usually see people going to fight Twintania or brave higher turns of Coil with 4 BLM, or that a lot of people make a point of not bringing 2 BLM to a BrayHM speedrun because there are more efficient DPS job setups for that.

[Gormogon]

So, when you wrote that I was doing good while I wrote that that BLM is essentially the best AoE DPS job but not anymore when I proceeded to also argue that the job is pretty bad when it comes to single target dps or being forced to move a lot, then proceeded to repeat what I said in different words, you... wait, what was your point exactly?

I agreed with you on the part that parsers skew players perception of what's going on.

BLM have as many flaws as other jobs. While BLM don't parse HIGH on Parsers when it is single target it's simply because of how their rotation works not because they have a massive design flaw and they need a major revamp like some people react to such extremes. The moving part isn't that of a deal as people make it out to be.

I don't know why you and others go to extremes to try and make a point instead of just being rational and yes I agree but not with that part of your post.

Never in my life have I seen people care so much about losing a little DPS that they go bonkers over it.

[HitoYuudai]

1.) Consistent because our rotation doesn't change. If you didn't understand that say so instead of putting words in my mouth.
2.) 2 procs because 1 is thundercloud the other is firestarter.
3.) My fault for not being more specific. In a party (in which we get an Int buff) with food 3 Flares gives enough chances for Raging Strikes so one to three Flares, depending on luck, to potentially crit for 2500-3200 each as long as the BLM's ilvls is between 90-96(counting Zenith-Animus weapon) which does not count FoE.
4.) Never did I say that burst design guarantees a constant up time on procs

Don't know why you are being overly dramatic with all of your points instead of being rational. Guess I was expecting too much of a civilized discussion.

1.) which still isn't "a constant 1000-1200 damage"
2.) "then gets 2 procs than can crit for 1500-1800 without relying on buffs" (to quote yourself) -> again for you: every firestarter proc followed directly after a firestarter proc gets wasted, since you're neither waiting after each fire I to see if you get a proc, nor are you breaking your fire I spell you're already casting again, since this would lead to a dps loss. in addition to that counting procs as consistent is just wrong. sometimes you get 3 thundercloud procs in a row with 3 or 4 firestarter procs, sometimes you get no thundercloud proc for ages and very few firestarters.
3.) I crit my flares for 32xx with 110 weapon and overall ilvl100, WITH food, WITH raging strikes AND Foe in a party. so stop talking bs
4.) neither did I that you said so. you said, that we're a burst class. I said that if we're unlucky and get neither crits, nor procs, there is no real burst by blm. we CAN burst if we get some procs, but we don't have any control over it, calling this a "burst design" which is just based on RNG.... meh, not really

Don't know why you don't read my words carefully and try to understand what I say instead of giving nonsense in return.
I cleared every existing content as a blm (yup, even cleared t9 already), I know how it feels to play a blackmage, I know the strength he has in some ways but I also know the flaws and can rank the blm as a dd in comparison to other dds quite well. you obviously can't and I feel sorry for that, but I guess you're just stubbornly sitting there ignoring facts that experienced people are trying to hand to you. guess I was expecting too much of a civilized discussion.

[Gormogon]

3.) I crit my flares for 32xx with 110 weapon and overall ilvl100, WITH food, WITH raging strikes AND Foe in a party. so stop talking bs

I can crit that high and I don't even need FoE.

I can be overly dramatic and sarcastic too.

I sure am talking bs because I guess I never run myth/soldiery farms and when I do I don't bother having my eyes on the screen and mobs just magically drop before me. God forbid numbers popping up on my screen showing how much damage my abilities do.

Honestly don't bother replying back since you are now on my ignore list.

[Amaret]

I can crit that high and I don't even need FoE.

I can be overly dramatic and sarcastic too.

I sure am talking bs because I guess I never run myth/soldiery farms and when I do I don't bother having my eyes on the screen and mobs just magically drop before me. God forbid numbers popping up on my screen showing how much damage my abilities do.

Honestly don't bother replying back since you are now on my ignore list.

Srsly, just give us a Screenshot for prove and this discussion is done :P

[Gormogon]

Srsly, just give us a Screenshot for prove and this discussion is done :P

I will once I run Brayflox.