Do you think the devs intended multi-flare blm?

[Gugnir]

This paladin I do 5 min bray speed runs with all the time has a nice philosophy, when in doubt flash. The mobs are alive for only seconds when you have two black mages doing trip flares.. don't really know what the issue is. You have all the tools you need to hold hate, so why not use them?

[JTribal]

This paladin I do 5 min bray speed runs with all the time has a nice philosophy, when in doubt flash. The mobs are alive for only seconds when you have two black mages doing trip flares.. don't really know what the issue is. You have all the tools you need to hold hate, so why not use them?

Are your Bray speedruns really only five minutes long?

[Gugnir]

Are your Bray speedruns really only five minutes long?

If you want to be technical they usually just under 5 minutes =p

[StouterTaru]

Are your Bray speedruns really only five minutes long?

If you want to be technical they usually just under 5 minutes =p

Are you talking full run or just first two bosses for myths? I could see the first two bosses easily, especially with a brd+melee. Just kill the goblins, get the key, lockout the other 10 mobs for first boss. Then aoe 9 mobs, and take out 2nd. It's at least 2 minutes to run start to end without fighting anything, so I don't see you killing 3 bosses and the trash in under 5.

[Zozor]

The double flare rotation by which I mean

~ Transpose -> Flare -> Flare -> Transpose -> Flare -> Flare -> Repeat forever.

Is the highest AOE damage in the game. It requires good timing but by no means precise and is incredibly easy to maintain!

Here's a video example of the wonderful Junpei Gunso demonstrating it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fiOG5axoVo

Pay attention to his MP and the timing of the casts and you'll see its actually very easy.

This Rotation, even with the casting delays when waiting to line up timing is significantly higher than casting fire 2 ever and of course even considering a rotation where a single target cast of fire 3 is used would be laughable, as even a flare without astral is still hitting multiple mobs (fire 3 600 damage vs 1 target = 600 damage, flare 400 damge vs 3 targets is 1200 damage example).

Any time you have 3 or mobs alive, you gotta do this

[Gormogon]

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In Brayflox HM I'd rather stick to Fire 3, Fire 2x3, triple flare than use that rotation.

[Zozor]

In Brayflox HM I'd rather stick to Fire 3, Fire 2x3, triple flare than use that rotation.

The rotation in full I would add is as follows

Fire 3 for initial Astral 3 and allowing Tank to gain initial threat with flash
Raging + quelling
Flare
Convert
Flare
MP Potion
Flare
Transpose
Flare Flare
Transpose
Flare Flare

Pulls wont last very long. By not using this rotation you are conceding to do less damage at no gain aside from possible reliability if you are not very well practised at the timing. But that is down to the individual not putting in time or effort to be optimal.

[Akujin]

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......if your mobs are not dead by the fourth flare, your output is, well..less than optimal as you said.

My rotation in Brayflox is Fire3>Fire2xwhatever it is until it's too low to use another>Raging>Flare>Convert>Flare>Mp>Flare. Using Flare with all that MP after Fire3 still available is silly. On average, if I'm with another BLM, the first large group (all mobs pulled up to the bridge) at the end of that rotation everything is dead. Outside of that, mnk/drg in the party, yeah there's a moment where another couple fire 2s on AF3 is needed to take down the stragglers, because occasionally things move out of Flare's pathetically small aoe range.

[Gormogon]

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It's Transpose Flare Flare wait Transpose Flare Flare. Yet if you're doing Transpose Flare Transpose then you're doing way less damage since you aren't doing a Astral Fire 3 Flare which gimps your overall damage. Also please use Quelling before Raging.

I prefer to use

Fire 3
Quelling + Raging
Fire 2
Fire 2
Fire 2 (3rd one isn't needed if you have another player that can do their AoE rotation reliably)
Flare
Convert
Flare
MP pot
Swiftcast
Flare

The first full pull in Brayflox is dead and it does way more than your suggested rotation.

I have major issues with this and mixed feelings.

Yeah I personally wouldn't recommend it because it's not only an exploit but it's also a gamble that's less efficient to use that the legit ways Black Mages have to Flare already. So trying to shove this exploit method of Flare into people's rotations especially the casual crowd it will only serve to make things worse.

Also for Black Mages in this thread.

Super Double Flare does the most damage in your rotation and has the least amount of down time as well. (Bard + Int pot Required)
Triple Flare is your next alternative yet it takes longer overall to do. (an additional 4 seconds)
Mini/Baby Ancient Flare spam is way more reliable than the gamble that is Transpose Double flare (Bard + Scholar Required)
Poor Mans Flare is your last thing you do if you don't have any cooldowns up and you need to AoE.
Quad Flare only if the enemy is low.
Quint Flare with a bard help is nice too.

All these are decent alternatives.

Yet doing the transpose double flare method is an exploit on mana regen mechanics and above all the initial Flare is under the Umbral Ice 1 which is gimped AoE damage. So that initial Flare is basically a Fire 2 that grants Astral Fire 3 damage wise and then your next flare is legit Flare damage.

People that suggest the transpose double flare exploit method should not misguide BLM the way they do in making them believe that they are doing more damage because they are not.

[Tiggy]

Yeah I personally wouldn't recommend it because it's not only an exploit

It's not an exploit to cast a spell the moment the regen tick occurs. It's part of the mechanics of the system used in a novel way, but not an exploit.