Do you think the devs intended multi-flare blm?

[NyneAlexander]

There's a reason why I said average rotation.

And please keep that nonsense over there. I mentioned downtime and I explained it. Blizzard 3 > whatever the hell you want to do here > fire 3 is your downtime on DPS. If you can't understand that then please say you don't understand it or aren't willing to instead.

Easy buddy. This is how stupid forum fights start. No need to be rude. Just cause I didn't agree with your description of "average rotation" or downtime, doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion or am unwilling to discuss it. No need to be so defensive.

The bottom line is "whatever the hell you want to do here" can make or break a blm's dps in a sustained fight. Thats what I was getting at.

I say 6 minutes for a couple simple reasons.

1. Its a nice number for 2 and 3 minute CD's, so the next decent timeframe would be 9, and the next ideal timeframe would be 12 minutes.
2. Its true that most of the important fights now take closer to 10-14 minutes... But then the issue becomes constructing a situation to sustain MNK, DRG, and BRD for the entire 12 minute parse WITHOUT breaks, which these long fights tend to have.
3. And then the other fun part, finding enough "equally" geared and skilled... highly skilled... people for this test, AND getting them to go at it for 12 minutes, without messing up or going braindead. =)

That said, this kind of test is really for 2 types of people. Theorycrafters, and the Combat QA/Dev team. We're the former, so if you can find the people to do it, all on the same server, same group, same data collection methods and cross-checking the data... By all means go to town.

But really, this "should" be SE's job, not ours.

PS.
I am having flashbacks to RIFT, where I was a Warrior main, and the entire theorycrafter community did spec and rotation checking for the warrior dev... Then he'd buff or nerf... mostly nerf... each spec and subclass until there weren't any outliers. Not "balance", there were a lot of specs that simply sucked. But of the small handful of builds that worked, they were all "fairly" balanced, mostly thanks to us, the players.

Ok I totally see what you mean here. And you're right, that after a 6 min test of this nature, we will probably see blm come out at the bottom. What concerns me is if the majority of the community took this test as gospel, we'd see people saying that the marginal difference in dps between top and bottom is negligible, and that us blms don't have much to worry about. When the reality is because these numbers grow further apart over time, we have plenty to worry about.

[Gugnir]

Are your Bray speedruns really only five minutes long?

If you want to be technical they usually just under 5 minutes =p

[Marxam]

If Vivi from FFIX can do it I don't see why it isn't intended.

[Gormogon]

Just cause I didn't agree with your description of "average rotation" or downtime

You did neither and brought up something entirely irrelevant.

The bottom line is "whatever the hell you want to do here" can make or break a blm's dps in a sustained fight. Thats what I was getting at.

It doesn't.

Thunder 1-3 is 30-50 potency
Scathe is 100 potency
Thundercloud proc does the most but isn't always available during the transition.

So weather you Thunder I-III> Scathe, Thundercloud > Scathe x2, or Blizzard 3 > Convert > Fire 3 to try and keep uptime rolling it doesn't mean anything since the damage you do here fares in comparison to those consistent Fire 1's, thus the downtime.

[Nayto]

"Combos" weren't intended in Capcom's Street Fighter(tm)... and they went with it.
this flare spam thing seems to keep the BLMs busy with figuring out what's viable rotations and what not.

It's called Quelling Strikes, and not enough people have it/have the common sense to use it/plain don't care.

Quelling has a long CD though... think by the time you reach the second set of mobs it'll still be down.

[Orophin]

It's called Quelling Strikes, and not enough people have it/have the common sense to use it/plain don't care.

[NyneAlexander]

You did neither and brought up something entirely irrelevant.

Thunder 1-3 is 30-50 potency
Scathe is 100 potency
Thundercloud proc does the most but isn't always available during the transition.

So weather you Thunder I-III> Scathe, Thundercloud > Scathe x2, or Blizzard 3 > Convert > Fire 3 to try and keep uptime rolling it doesn't mean anything since the damage you do here fares in comparison to those consistent Fire 1's, thus the downtime.

You don't think the bigger problem here is you thinking what you do in downtime during a fight is "something entirely irrelevant"?

[Esmian]

So is this what happens when blms are waiting for a buff so they're relevant in raids? Fight about flare rotations in SRs? This sounds like a rough life.

[AlrikRouge]

It's called Quelling Strikes, and not enough people have it/have the common sense to use it/plain don't care.

Or didn't know about it because they only leveled archer enough to get BLM.

On-topic, I don't know. With a potion, single target boss, double flare and then convert to put your regular rotation back in is just ingenuity of the player. Intended - well, I wouldn't put I past them.

[mero-ix]

I dunno how anyone fits that many flares into a pack of mobs. I barely have time to do 3 flares in Brayflox and when I do get that last one off most of the mobs are already dead. For such a short fight, it seems rather extravagant to use potions when you can just pop Raging Strikes and cast a couple Fire IIs, double Flare, and be done with it.

I feel quite frustrated with BLM to be honest and I'm excited to see how they buff them. I can only do around 300-310 dps in 3 mins on a target dummy with BLM (which also depends on procs) while I can easily get 360 with DRG. I feel like I have a lot more control over my dps output on DRG than I do on BLM because DRG feels like it's based a lot more on player skill whereas with BLM anyone can Fire III > Fire > etc > Bliz III > Thunder. It's just a matter of managing dps while moving after that, but obviously that's not an issue with a target dummy. Having dps output rely so heavily on rng (procs) feels too much out of my control. Do not like. :c