Do you think the devs intended multi-flare blm?

[Tiggy]

We already got nerfed because people did exactly this already once, SE stated that this is exploiting the mechanics of the game but it's their job to try and not make it possible. you are timing your cast so that you get the boost of umbral ice, even though you are technically in astral fire, that would be kinda the definition of an exploit, manipulating the game in order to receive 2 bonuses when the game only allows for 1 to be active at a time.

It's not an exploit if you could do it by accident very easily. Which is something I've done many times playing BLM in the past as have many others. Unless they fundamentally change the way the class works with umbral fire and ice then this will continue to happen whether it is intentional or not. Players playing the game as it is presented are not exploiting it. Also, if you were technically in astral fire as you say then this wouldn't even happen. Obvious there is an aspect to the spell casting that doesn't apply astral fire until the very last moment of the spell taking effect which allows for a window where astral ice can still tick. We as players have no ability to change this fact. As long as it continues to work this way players will continue to do it. As I said, often by accident. Calling it an exploit would suggest that all the players who see this by accident are now worthy of a ban. They are not.

[Lunavi]

And to think, BLM's are complaining that they are gimped compared to other classes, begging for tweaks to make them "more viable"...

Yeah, because SRing is relevant content compared to actually being viable in serious raids.

[Glydien]

And to think, BLM's are complaining that they are gimped compared to other classes, begging for tweaks to make them "more viable"...

Yeah, because outside of brayflox you see this happening ALL the time <rolls eyes>

[Behb]

Even if they want to change this the classical AOE rotation is close to the multi flare ... so it won't change much.
The blm in question should pop Quelling strike before doing this, especially if the tank is a PLD/or not used to it.

And dev want to buff blm, not nerf it, they are not so useful in Coil 2.

[Arrak]

If your BLM is AOEing spam flash until you're OOM or comfortable on threat, then build mana back with riot blade.

[JTribal]

If your BLM is AOEing spam flash until you're OOM or comfortable on threat, then build mana back with riot blade.

Agreed, I do this when farming Brayflox HM and very rarely lose hate, even in parties with two BLMs. The only times that I do I'm thinking it's more of the enemy not being close enough for flash, as opposed to Flare generating more hate than flash.

[whoopeeragon]

The only way you can do multi-flare is through convert/potions, which really only allows a maximum of 3 full-powered Flares in a row (excluding when you have a BRD playing Ballad....when they should be playing Foe Requiem). And that happens every 3 (I think Convert is 180sec recast?) minutes.

Of course, BLM is king of AoE, which, for speedruns, is pretty much putting them at top of the desired DPS slots.

But in all honesty, I think there's nothing wrong with it. Usually in a pack of mobs which are being AoE-ed, I won't even bother with using a basic combo, just spam Flash/Overpower/whatever AoE you have until you run out of MP/TP. And the double/triple Flare is, as I said, limited by cooldowns. Not to mention the BLM also has a period of time after Flare where they are unable to use spells until they recover sufficient mana.

Right now, AoE probably BLM's only asset apart from being ranged, because in movement-high battles which are aplenty in end-game content, BLM's dmg falls off quite some bit. They are probably the most movement-restricted job in the game, so for all those end-game fights with AoEs against solo targettable bosses? Yea, BLM got the coup' from king to peasant.

[Ooshima]

I believe that BLM didn't use quelling strikes.

There's a lot of idiot BLMs that just go raging strikes and flare the shit out of everything without the tank gaining sufficient enmity. It's not just BLM only. As a BRD I also possess the burst that could rip off a very geared tank if I wanted to.

I don't think currently there's any issues. With proper communication and timing, as a PLD in Brayflox HM speedrun I've seen PLD and WAR alike that could old a i100+ with i110 weapon BLM's triple flares. BLMs should know that flares generates lots of enmity, and generally BLM does generate lots of enmity with the fire3 procs. And thus they are granted access to one enmity management tool which is Quelling Strikes, but some BLM just don't bother to use it..

[Billzey]

I think you are overestimating BLM's DPS. They may be best at AoE damage, but the entire speed of the run depends on both trash+boss kills. Any DRG/BRD should have no trouble pulling higher DPS than BLM over the entire run. In fact, my fastest runs have always been with DRG + BRD.

[Ooshima]

I think you are overestimating BLM's DPS. They may be best at AoE damage, but the entire speed of the run depends on both trash+boss kills. Any DRG/BRD should have no trouble pulling higher DPS than BLM over the entire run. In fact, my fastest runs have always been with DRG + BRD.

Full run timing?

Or at least 2 boss run timing.