Do you think the devs intended multi-flare blm?

[Pacifyer]

Or just maybe try... flare (regular fast cast from being in rotation), (save a fire 3 proc) convert - swiftcast - flare - transpose, wait for a tick or two of mana and use the fire 3 proc and try to fast cast your 3rd flare. Then pop your best ether and go right into bliz 3.

You can't get your Fire 3 proc cause you do not use Fire 1 in AOE situation. All you do is Fire3 -> 3x Fire2 -> Flare -> Convert -> Swiftcast -> Flare
Again, if you are using Fire1 somewhere is is definitely a dps loss and you are doing something wrong.
And doing this in single target rotation I can't see much use of it cause it is a very small dps gain and can occur very rarely due to aether pot cd.

[Kuroyasha]

it's because you combo'd if you have a blm that is gonna spam flare you gotta spam flash>flare at least for me i have never lost to a blm who flares.

now also you can only do 2 flares (at full power) in a row after that you are doing ice flares which are pathetic in damage i was doing some sr's and had a blm do 5 flares, 2 full power aka fire 3 flare convert swift cast flare then transpose flare blizard flare transpose flare. which the last 3 did 1/3rd the damage of 1 of the full power ones, while the monsters still died fast it would have been easier to just double flare fire 2 them.

Correction, you can do 3 flares in a row. you can also do even more flares continously with correct timing and they wont all be ice flares(essentially infinite flaring). That transpose flare bliz flare you posted is representative of a BLM who's basically doing it wrong, or at least not coming near the full potential of that destructive powah!

[Seiryuukishi]

Devs probably didn't. But you can't compensate in code for the human element to adapt to a situation. And it being chosen over other dps is purely situational.

[Musashidon]

Correction, you can do 3 flares in a row. you can also do even more flares continously with correct timing and they wont all be ice flares(essentially infinite flaring). That transpose flare bliz flare you posted is representative of a BLM who's basically doing it wrong, or at least not coming near the full potential of that destructive powah!

yea i didn't know about potion flares till a couple posts later. since i never use potions myself it never crossed my mind.

[Nekodar]

And to think, BLM's are complaining that they are gimped compared to other classes, begging for tweaks to make them "more viable"...

[NyneAlexander]

And to think, BLM's are complaining that they are gimped compared to other classes, begging for tweaks to make them "more viable"...

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Have you ever seen a blm parse in any boss fight against a Drg, Mnk, Smn, or even a Brd that isn't singing the whole time? Its pretty pathetic. With the exception of T4, a well played BLM is going to struggle against a well played almost any other DPS. Its been proven with actual numbers time and time again.

[Gormogon]

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Have you ever seen a blm parse in any boss fight against a Drg, Mnk, Smn, or even a Brd that isn't singing the whole time? Its pretty pathetic. With the exception of T4, a well played BLM is going to struggle against a well played almost any other DPS. Its been proven with actual numbers time and time again.

I'll say this again.

Only reason we Black Mages don't parse as high as them is because we have consistent downtime in our rotation. If we didn't have that downtime then our damage per minute wouldn't look as low as it is on parsers.

The moment a BLM cast Blizzard 3 and by the time we cast that Fire 1 after Fire 3 it takes enough time to drop our DPS significantly on a Parser. Yet in no way is a Black Mages single target dps god awful as people make it out to be. Parses wont ever say this yet people are being overly dramatic about it because they don't top single target parsers.

[NyneAlexander]

I'll say this again.

Only reason we Black Mages don't parse as high as them is because we have consistent downtime in our rotation. If we didn't have that downtime then our damage per minute wouldn't look as low as it is on parsers.

The moment a BLM cast Blizzard 3 and by the time we cast that Fire 1 after Fire 3 it takes enough time to drop our DPS significantly on a Parser. Yet in no way is a Black Mages single target dps god awful as people make it out to be. Parses wont ever say this yet people are being overly dramatic about it because they don't top single target parsers.

I dunno... after extensive experience inside of Turn 8 with multiple people parsing with different programs, its safe to say that blm needs a buff. This is an 11 min. dps check with very little movement. I mean, we basically get to turret the entire time with the exception of hitting a tower or a landmine. And over 11 min, we're gonna get out-parsed by almost every single dps job in the game. This is with using bliz 1 during the Umbral ice III downtime, and choosing the right thunder to cast based off of mp left over when entering umbral ice. Add movement into a long fight like that and there's no chance.

IMO, it was the scathe debuff that put us at the bottom. It used to be a feasible method of maintaining dps during movement. But because of the pvp-related nerf, our PvE was dramatically effected. As item level gets higher, the dps gap between us and other jobs will grow exponentially bigger, unless SE adds some balance.

[Gormogon]

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The average rotation being

Fire 3 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Blizzard 3 > Thunder 3 > Fire 3 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Blizzard 3 > Thunder 3 > Fire 3 > Fire 1

The portion I highlighted and underlined is our have downtime. That takes on average 6-8 seconds off our DPS. Per minute it doesn't look pretty since 14 seconds is a lot of time if we compare it to 60 seconds.

As per moving mechanics. You can move as your cast reaches the last .2 seconds. You can also target someone across the room and use Aetherial Manipulation and continue casting.

Regardless whatever our buff, which I ain't turning down, wont matter to those expecting the buff to bring BLM's to the #1 spot on parsers.

[Urielparadox]

I'll say this again. Only reason we Black Mages don't parse as high as them is because we have consistent downtime in our rotation. If we didn't have that downtime then our damage per minute wouldn't look as low as it is on parsers...

People compare final # not burst #, in equal gear and skill a physical dps(in a solo/low mob encounter) will always come out substantially higher. fights like turn 1,2,7, ifrit ex, garuda ex. There are some fights like levi, titan, turn 5, and turn 6 offer multi target moments that allow blm to gain some of its place back up a parse(ignoring mechanics that counteract this/make impractical). if a blm gets lucky in these fights and doesn't get targeted for stuff they have to dodge/move from the dps is decent enough that really wouldn't be too bad; But for each vines, liquid hell, ect..., that the blm has to dodge, there dps drops a lot more then a physical will, and these mechanics happen all through out the fight.

It's not an exploit to cast a spell the moment the regen tick occurs. It's part of the mechanics of the system used in a novel way, but not an exploit.

We already got nerfed because people did exactly this already once, SE stated that this is exploiting the mechanics of the game but it's their job to try and not make it possible. you are timing your cast so that you get the boost of umbral ice, even though you are technically in astral fire, that would be kinda the definition of an exploit, manipulating the game in order to receive 2 bonuses when the game only allows for 1 to be active at a time.