Do you think the devs intended multi-flare blm?

[Raenryong]

Is this really your ilvl?

On my BLM, yeah. It is my lowest ilevel along with SMN. Never really play the casters aside from speedruns/messing around.

So you have no Astral Fire 3 buff in that second rotation until you've gotten 8(?) seconds in which only covers 1 Fire II and then your 3 flares in which you're telling me you're doing more damage because it takes ~2.4% less time? Sorry but no thanks.

Also if you can't Triple Flare without keeping RS up because of lack of spell speed you consider only using 2 Fire II.

Look at the math for yourself! It is made up for by the fact that you are hitting multiple targets with that first Fire 2. Depending on how many targets that is (well, 4+ to be precise), it's a good damage lead.

My rotation also has RS up for all three Flares.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Taking just the [F3 > F2 x3], and [F2 x4], ignoring the Flares and Raging.

220 + (180*3)n
220 + 560n = RotA

100 + 140 + 160 + 180 = 580n = RotB

If n = 3,
RotA = 1900
RotB = 1740

If n = 4,
RotA = 2460
RotB = 2320

If n = 5
RotA = 3020
RotB = 2900

If n = 11
RotA = 6380
RotB = 6380

If you ask me, the tried and true standard (RotA) seems better without Raging. Perhaps I'm doing the math wrong though.

[Gormogon]

Perhaps I'm doing the math wrong though.

The math is neglecting the Black Mages Astral Fire buff which stacks up to 3 times.

When you start with Fire III you gain full stacks of Astral Fire. On the other hand when you cast Fire II it only grants 1 stack of Astral Fire which requires another 2 Fire II for Raenryong to require the buffs I already got.

In my rotation all Fire II's and Flares are buffed with Astral Fire III and Raging Strikes
In Raenryong's rotation the first 2 Fire II's are gimped and the 3rd one has Astral Fire II and RS which leaves only his last Fire II at full buff as well as his 3 flare.

My damage is gonna be a straight up spike while Raenryong's will be a steady climb in which my rotation will end up with more damage overall because of it in the end. Since Raenryongs rotation gives me enough to overthrow him in a spike climb regardless of his initial advantage and that takes into consideration that all mobs are packed up so our 2 rotations could be casted at the same time.

There's a flaw in Raenryong rotation and that's the fact in starting with Fire II to begin with.

Flaw 1
It takes Fire II 3-4 mobs to beat my Fire 3. That's just the first cast and both are not buffed by anything. Note: I'm using Fire 3 to get Astral Fire III not for damage.

Flaw 2
Astral Fire III. I get it instantly while Raenryong wont have it until later in his rotation.

Flaw 3
Mobs have to gather. They aren't always neatly packed for convenience. I don't have to wait for them to bunch up since my Fire 3 targets 1 mob and by the time it in finishes all mobs will be on each other so starting with Fire II can miss mobs in that scenario.

[SeraviEdalborez]

The math is neglecting the Black Mages Astral Fire buff which stacks up to 3 times.

You think I would forget something so basic?

220 - raw F3
100 - raw F2
140 - AF1 F2
160 - AF2 F2
180 - AF3 F2

[Gormogon]

You think I would forget something so basic?

My buddy Fafnir ran the numbers.

With your rotation you have to pull 10 mobs to beat my rotation.

He fixed your rotation by using RS after your first Fire II it out do my rotation after 8 mobs.

He did scenarios where you can do 1 less move by starting with RS and then doing 3 Fire II then Flarex3 and it takes 5 mobs to beat my rotation.

Yet your time adjustment argument is moot. Mobs have certain amount of HP and after certain amount of damage they die. So n becomes an unreliable variable after certain damage is dealt. Meaning a rotation has to be constantly adjusted to represent that.

In the case of Brayflox Hardmode that initial big pull can die within 18 seconds since mobs should be dying within your first rotation anyway and it will only get shorter with better gear.

[Raenryong]

My buddy Fafnir ran the numbers.

With your rotation you have to pull 10 mobs to beat my rotation.

I'd like to see the math on that. Most people can't perform basic math.

He fixed your rotation by using RS after your first Fire II it out do my rotation after 8 mobs.

With my latency, you won't always have it up for the final Flare if you do that. Though I suppose if you're closer you may be able to.

Yet your time adjustment argument is moot. Mobs have certain amount of HP and after certain amount of damage they die. So n becomes an unreliable variable after certain damage is dealt. Meaning a rotation has to be constantly adjusted to represent that.

Every mob has a set amount of HP. That doesn't mean DPS is an insignificant figure. n remains constant until you begin singletargetting one mob, except in fringe cases (as aoe damage is ~the same on all). You friend's math is wrong anyway for getting such a high n - it comes out as 4~.

[Raenryong]

You're missing the time component - damage per time is a more useful figure than damage.

[SeraviEdalborez]

It's not "my" rotation or "my" argument. I'm just weighing in with the condensed numbers. If you can't read or understand what numbers mean, that's fine. But don't attribute my position to that of someone else's.

"Time spent" doing the rotation is also dumb as hell because it's a whopping 0.5 seconds difference. Wow. Amazing.

[Gormogon]

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So why you salty? Damage changes mob HP does not.

2 BLMs doing fire 3, fire 2, fire 2, raging strikes, flare, convert/swiftcast, flare, mega-ether, flare, all dead.

This guy gets it or girl.

[SeraviEdalborez]

So why you salty? Damage changes mob HP does not.

I was agreeing with you to begin with. I'm salty because you can't read.