Do you think the devs intended multi-flare blm?

[Luciano_Bozzelli]

Well... At first I stayed away from this thread, cause nothing good will come from it... And I question why the OP actually started a thread for this anyways, as it serves no purpose. I never understood why threads like this get started.... Just like the Bard situation back in the day. People were complaining, and whining about Bard damage (Damage mind you that didn't hinder you, but helped you progressed through a dungeon faster) and you did nothing but get one of your fellow adventurers nerfed. And now you want to bring to people's attention that we throwing extra flares?

I mean what good will come of this? It get taken away? And now your speed runs are a little bit slower, those situations were flares gets the mobs dead, and saves the tank that was about to die, you want that gone? If a Scholar had some kind of secret that was getting more healing potency, and was curing the tank, and keeping him alive, why would I make a thread about it, so that they can take it away? This is the main reason that I haven't taught every black mage in the world how to do this. If you can do it, great, have fun and keep it on the low...

Let this thread be buried, and burned with the rest of them... I accomplished this a mere 3 days after the patch that tried to get rid of it, but did I tell anyone? No... Only a select few and I told them not to tell anyone. LOL Now it's being blasted by BLM's in youtube videos, and people thinking they doing something new... And now its being blasted by a man questioning his tanking ability because some noob BLM was taught the rotation, but didn't control it properly with Quelling strikes.

It's not changing the game, and making it harder to keep hate on mobs... Sometimes bad, and impatient DD's pull hate. They will always be around. With Blm comes great power, and you must learn how to control that power. Period...

[Lunavi]

And to think, BLM's are complaining that they are gimped compared to other classes, begging for tweaks to make them "more viable"...

Yeah, because SRing is relevant content compared to actually being viable in serious raids.

[Ryans]

You are probably unaware what exploit is discussed. Ofc it is not about using convert or pots.
Look closely to rotation (Transpose - Flare - Fire II - Flare - Transpose)
I've highlighted the problem part for you.
After Transpose wait for mana tick, then 2 seconds more and start casting Flare. You will still get a mana tick right after Flare allowing you to cast Fire II and another Flare already being under effect of Fire3.
However this minor bug can't really be used mostly anywhere cause for it mobs should live longer than your full initial AOE rotation and this can only happen in dungeons with undergeared players.

I don't think you are aware that I'm the one that brought up that flare rotation. It is definitely not intended to work that way.

[Rhas]

it's because you combo'd if you have a blm that is gonna spam flare you gotta spam flash>flare at least for me i have never lost to a blm who flares.

now also you can only do 2 flares (at full power) in a row after that you are doing ice flares which are pathetic in damage i was doing some sr's and had a blm do 5 flares, 2 full power aka fire 3 flare convert swift cast flare then transpose flare blizard flare transpose flare. which the last 3 did 1/3rd the damage of 1 of the full power ones, while the monsters still died fast it would have been easier to just double flare fire 2 them.

Or just maybe try... flare (regular fast cast from being in rotation), (save a fire 3 proc) convert - swiftcast - flare - transpose, wait for a tick or two of mana and use the fire 3 proc and try to fast cast your 3rd flare. Then pop your best ether and go right into bliz 3.

[Pacifyer]

Or just maybe try... flare (regular fast cast from being in rotation), (save a fire 3 proc) convert - swiftcast - flare - transpose, wait for a tick or two of mana and use the fire 3 proc and try to fast cast your 3rd flare. Then pop your best ether and go right into bliz 3.

You can't get your Fire 3 proc cause you do not use Fire 1 in AOE situation. All you do is Fire3 -> 3x Fire2 -> Flare -> Convert -> Swiftcast -> Flare
Again, if you are using Fire1 somewhere is is definitely a dps loss and you are doing something wrong.
And doing this in single target rotation I can't see much use of it cause it is a very small dps gain and can occur very rarely due to aether pot cd.

[Xenor]

I find a lot of tanks shoot themselves in the foot by opting for lots of small pulls. I can only use Quelling every 2 minutes, so if you're pulling 3 mobs at a time you'd better hope you can hold hate on the pulls where I don't have Quelling available. This is especially bad in Brayflox speed runs when tanks decide to split the first pull in half. The second pull is either I hold back DPS and pray the tank doesn't die due to the slow kills or I produce maximum DPS and risk dying. There's also the tanks in Halatali hard who love to pull 3 mobs then 6 or whatever. Most BLMs will use their Quelling on the 3 but not have it for the 6, but I've come to expect this and don't use it straight away.

You could say "wahh wahh i dun wan 2 sped run" but when the whole group is i90+ and the healer barely has to heal because you're pulling so little mobs you have to ask yourself why you're doing it. I don't tend to complain because it's the tank's job to set the pace of the run, but it certainly puts me off doing roulettes because I can clear Brayflox 3 times via PF in the time a roulette run takes.

I don't like the Transpose > Flare rotation and prefer to opt for the standard Fire 3 > Fire 2 x3 > Double Flare. If the tank pulls enough mobs (6+) I will spend a mega ether and triple flare, or double if convert isn't up.

[Amaret]

I can crit that high and I don't even need FoE.

I can be overly dramatic and sarcastic too.

I sure am talking bs because I guess I never run myth/soldiery farms and when I do I don't bother having my eyes on the screen and mobs just magically drop before me. God forbid numbers popping up on my screen showing how much damage my abilities do.

Honestly don't bother replying back since you are now on my ignore list.

Srsly, just give us a Screenshot for prove and this discussion is done :P

Still Waiting .

[Raenryong]

The best BLM AoE rotation I've seen is

Quelling Strikes > Fire 2 > Fire 2 > Raging Strikes > Fire 2 > Fire 2 > Swiftcast > Flare > Convert > Flare > Ether > Flare > (begin looping block)

Looping block: Transpose > Fire 3 > (Fire 2) > Flare > ...
Fire2 being used dependent on when the MP tick occurs in Umbral phase (if early, use Fire 2 prior to Flare).

[Mishayangg]

I think you are overestimating BLM's DPS. They may be best at AoE damage, but the entire speed of the run depends on both trash+boss kills. Any DRG/BRD should have no trouble pulling higher DPS than BLM over the entire run. In fact, my fastest runs have always been with DRG + BRD.

After several hundreds of pugs in 2.2, my experience is very different. BLM + BLM absolutely melts everything. Other classes simply don't even come close. A raging strikes flare crit on 6 mobs is way way beyond anything any other class can dish. SMN can get close but only with great luck on the bane spreads.

[Gormogon]

Still Waiting .

1.) Soldiery hasn't been reset
2.) I don't do my soldiery runs early but late in the afternoon.

So if you wanna keep waiting go ahead.

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That's a bad triple flare rotation since those fire 2's are gimped.

Second thing you described is a poor mans flare and blm resort to it during the 2nd pull group pull in brayflox if they kill the 1st boss fast enough that their cooldowns are not up yet.

After several hundreds of pugs in 2.2, my experience is very different. BLM + BLM absolutely melts everything. Other classes simply don't even come close. A raging strikes flare crit on 6 mobs is way way beyond anything any other class can dish. SMN can get close but only with great luck on the bane spreads.

I don't even get to triple flare in BR HM anymore if the pulls are perfect since the people I group with a BLM in 90 gear and levi weapon does enough damage to melt the groups, with the help of the warriors overpower spam and healers holy or scholars shadow flare.