BLM macros

[kujowaltz]

There is a lot of, "you should be doing this" and not why you should be doing this

Yeah I just commented that I found the combination useful for me and have cleared up to T5 so far with no issues in using it. I know it's not optimal, but as one of the reasons I stated, as a ps4 user in endgame, the hotbar gets crowded. My hotbar is already full of essential skills and should I separate, I will have to transition between different hotbars. I already do, in fact, for some other skills. If you have a brain fart trying to remember what hotbar manawall is on, you can easily waste more than half a second getting it right. So for me, yes, it may lower my DPS slightly combining, but i will never be fumbling around looking for the proper skill and risk getting knocked off the arena for titan or whatever it may be. Its a calculated compromise that I find works best in my case. Maybe I should practice more with switching between hotbars, we shall see.

[ViviAnimus]

No Uriel, perhaps I am bad at explaining things, or your comprehensive reading skills are off. I clearly state at the end of a rotation. Of course this is ASIII Fire I, dude. I mean, seriously? I would advise you that it's always wise to read up on a previous post when someone continues to build on one ... Also, if the powers of deduction are upon you: why would a starter Fire I hit for 750?

[Urielparadox]

No Uriel, perhaps I am bad at explaining things, or your comprehensive reading skills are off. I clearly state at the end of a rotation. Of course this is ASIII Fire I, dude. I mean, seriously? I would advise you that it's always wise to read up on a previous post when someone continues to build on one ... Also, if the powers of deduction are upon you: why would a starter Fire I hit for 750?

damn you Sherlock Holmes I forgot my number one rule, logic. I don't understand your post because I don't understand what you are saying since neither.
I reread and its def. not mentioned that the rotation starts with a fire, though yes I should have assumed with the damage. This thread is for a new blm I highly doubt he will understand your post, because it really is not explained well. I don't really know what it means or what those rotations are, like why are you transposing after a blizzard before you cast fire 3? any blm can know instantly it's weaker dps, without using a parser. also I'm assuming you mean cast fire till your low on mp? but your statement clearly stats casting fire once, since it has no precursor that would state that fire 3 is first, there is also nothing that states fire is being repeat, and that it is only cast once.if your not casting it multiple this is gunna screw up your rotation since mp values are of huge importance, if I also understand it right your saying you finish your rotation with a hard cast fire 3? this is a dps loss compared to finishing with a swift flair or you know just another fire spell. I can only assume your casting fire 3 while at like 15000mp which means your wasting time casting fire 3 as well as spending more time in umbral ice and less time in astral fire. If you are repeating it. So yes though hard casting fire 3 might put you at the right mp tick, you should be casting the proper thunder for the time you need so T3 is not a dps loss, it's just .5 second longer cast, and those .5 seconds made up from casting thunder 3 are going to do way more damage then casting fire 3 at the end of a cycle(missing out on 2 proc chances so .8 fire 3(around 900 in your case).
You can;t accuratly compair a rotain that relies on a tick because a fire 1 followed by a fire 3, you can still get a fire proc in that time which boom there goes your tic timing

[rigormortis]

Not sure if you use it or not, but you can set the controller so Holding down L2 and then holding down R2 will bring up a mini crossbar of 8 actions. The reverse also works, R2 first then L2, but I have both options set to show the same 8 (cross bar 8 left side). It's another 8 actions without having to toggle the R1 button, which might be useful if you only use one main crossbar.

[ViviAnimus]

Thunder II - Fire III - Fire I until 300 MP - Swiftcast Flare - Convert - Fire I - Fire III (proc)

The last Fire III is what I am talking about. A lot of people go like Thunder II - Fire III - Fire I until 300 MP - Swiftcast Flare - Convert - Fire I - Blizzard III - Thunder II ...
What I mean in my rotation with the proc is that during my last Fire III before using Blizzard III, I press Fire III button in case a Fire III proc appears. I do this very swiftly. If there is no proc, I use Blizzard III immediately since there is almost no loss in time.
What I have seen people do to counter a proc going to waste (before MP runs out) is the following:

Thunder II - Fire III - Fire I until 300 MP - Swiftcast Flare - Convert - Fire I - (Proc here but it's not used) - Blizzard III - Thunder II - Transpose (to get 1 stack of Fire - Fire III PROC.
As I have explained, my method is better (I think) because the fire III procs hits harder and there is a GCD in both rotations.

[Urielparadox]

What I mean in my rotation with the proc is that during my last Fire III before using Blizzard III, I press Fire III button in case a Fire III proc appears. I do this very swiftly. If there is no proc, I use Blizzard III immediately since there is almost no loss in time. .

Much better that is understandable and makes much more since.

Please don't take this offensively. The test you did was unneeded, but great for you for the effort) though as its posted in the main black mage rotation forum, the discussion happened at the time that the nerf to af/ui occurred if you want to try and find the page.

[ViviAnimus]

As for Scarebearz: The DMG is higher too. I have been parsing for a whole night and I do 20 more DPS by using the first rotation. In both rotations there is a GCD and you do have a point that popping a cooldowns during a full MP regened Fire III is useful. However, BLM only has Raging strikes (on the offensive) and that is popped in the beginning of my rotation. It's not worth it too to keep losing potentional damage over the whole fight in because of using some cooldowns. I realise you have potions as well. But for example an X-potion of intelligence can always be used in my rotation after my method:

Thunder II - Fire III - Fire I until 300 MP - Swiftcast Flare - Convert - Fire I - Fire III (proc) - Blizzard III - Thunder II - Fire III - Pop Potion.

Sure, it's not used during a GCD, but I argue that you would still lose more DPS overall if you ignore the 250 damage potentional damage every time.

[Umero]

ever try this and see if it's better? if a firestarter kicks in when you have about 1k mp, cast 1 more fire and then firestarter's fire3, blizzard 3, etc.
if there's no firestarter and you have reached 1k mp, cast fire 3 instead of fire 1, cast firestarter's fire3 if you got the proc from previous fire 1, then blizzard 3, etc.
see if it does slightly better or not.
just wondering, I haven't actually tried this yet.

[ViviAnimus]

I was parsing for 10 minutes plus on each attempt. However, I must conclude that RNG such a critical hit, amount of fire procs at the end, thunder procs etc ... have a say in this. Although everytime I parsed using the second method I was around 320 DPS instead of 340. It was pretty consistent. I have thought about Yandere his or her remark as well. But I am really fast. You just press Fire III button very shortly and immediately move on to Blizzard III. I guess there is still a bit of time that is lost, but I would argue that in an 11 minute battle you perhaps accumalate how many Fire Procs at the end? Lets just say 20 hypocthetically. That's 20x250 more damage = 5000 over the second method.
How many more spells do you think you would be able to cast extra by using the second method? Enough to get that kind of damage over 11 minutes?
I must also continue to stress that you basically only lose just a fraction of time using my method when you do it right.

[Pyroclastic]

Thunder II - Fire III - Fire I until 300 MP - Swiftcast Flare - Convert - Fire I - Fire III (proc)
What I mean in my rotation with the proc is that during my last Fire III before using Blizzard III, I press Fire III button in case a Fire III proc appears. I do this very swiftly. If there is no proc, I use Blizzard III immediately since there is almost no loss in time.

This. 100% true. I have been testing this for months now and my conclussion is that you simply HAVE to use all fireprocs during astral III, or it's simply wasted..
What I am still wondering about though, and I hope you have tested this single target rotation, Vivianimus.. Do you think that using swiftcast flare every time swiftcast is up, followed by instant transpose -> thunder II -> Fire III -> fire, is higher dps in the long run than only using swiftcast flare when convert is up?

For testing purposes I have tried to test both rotations by NEVER using convert, NEVER using ANY procs and parsing for 6 minutes (it's hard to keep this non-proc rotation up so that's why only 6 min ) and more often than not the "300mp-swiftcast flare-transpose-T2-F3"- rotation would be about 10% more dps than the normal "300mp-B3-T2-F3"-rotation.
But I'm still not 100% convinced, because sometimes the first rotation (swiftcast flare on CD) would be just the same dps as the normal rotation.. So that makes me think that it really depends on how fast you get your manatick after transpose..